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Hackety Hack

From:
Douglas Allen
Date:
2015-01-13 @ 03:13
Since this is shoes related I was wonder if there is a separate forum for
that or is appropriate, just for future reference, to post questions on
here about hacketyhack?

Re: [shoes] Hackety Hack

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2015-01-13 @ 04:21
Douglas,

   I was chatting a few days ago with a collaborator about HacketyHack.  
There is a forum at Hackety.com but no one appears to be answering 
questions because its based on Shoes 3.1 which has lots of problems now 
days. Shoes 3.2 fixes many of them.

   I distribute a recent copy of HacketyHack source (hh.shy or 
hh.tar.gz) at http://shoes.mvmanila.com/public/hh  and it does run on 
3.2/Federales.  It's not my cup of tea to support but my collaborator 
would like to change my mind or at least get somebody (anybody) to 
support it.

  If you run HH on a Shoes 3.2 distribution and find bugs you could file 
a bug at https://github.com/Shoes3/shoes/issues . If it's Shoes 3.2 
problem we would certainly try to fix it. If it's problem of the Hackey 
code then maybe not.

I'm sure Hackety's code for packaging is not current with how packaging 
works in 3.2. They might be minor changes, they might be major changes 
to Hackety. We won't know until some one is willing to dig in and find 
out and like I said it's not a priority for me.

Can you ask Hackety Questions on this mail list? Not my decision to make 
but it's deathly quiet on the Mailing List and it wouldn't bother me if 
people did.

--Cecil

On 01/12/2015 08:13 PM, Douglas Allen wrote:
> Since this is shoes related I was wonder if there is a separate forum 
> for that or is appropriate, just for future reference, to post 
> questions on here about hacketyhack?

Re: [shoes] Hackety Hack

From:
Jason Clark
Date:
2015-01-13 @ 06:02
Douglas,


I'd consider this a fine place to ask questions about Hackety-Hack.  To Cecil's

point, I'm not sure there's anywhere else to go at the moment.




There isn't a lot changing with Hackety at the moment, though, so I wouldn't

expect to see PR's merged or issues resolved right now. Most of the folks

involved with Shoes are either working on the Shoes 4 rewrite, or keeping

Shoes 3 working.




But Hackety-Hack was what got me interested in Shoes, so rest assured that it's

a goal of Shoes 4 at least to run Hackety-Hack again. I'm looking forward to a

day when we can resume regular development on Hackety-Hack!




Glad you found the list, and look forward to hearing from you!





~Jason

Re: [shoes] Hackety Hack

From:
Tobias Pfeiffer
Date:
2015-01-13 @ 07:36
Hi all,

fun fact: there is a hacketyhack mailing list (hacketyhack@librelist.com) 
and also a #hacketyhack on freenode. Both are sadly dead, the last email 
in the mailing list is from 2013 and I wrote it...

Without a main thing to run hackety on, hackety is pretty much dead... 
once that is settled hackety.com also needs a MAJOR upgrade. It's still 
runing rails 3.1 among other things.

Reminds me, I should hang out in IRC more often again.
On 13.01.2015 07:02, Jason Clark wrote:
> Douglas,
> I'd consider this a fine place to ask questions about Hackety-Hack.  To
> Cecil's
> point, I'm not sure there's anywhere else to go at the moment.
>
> There isn't a lot changing with Hackety at the moment, though, so I wouldn't
> expect to see PR's merged or issues resolved right now. Most of the folks
> involved with Shoes are either working on the Shoes 4 rewrite, or keeping
> Shoes 3 working.
>
> But Hackety-Hack was what got me interested in Shoes, so rest assured
> that it's
> a goal of Shoes 4 at least to run Hackety-Hack again. I'm looking
> forward to a
> day when we can resume regular development on Hackety-Hack!
>
> Glad you found the list, and look forward to hearing from you!
>
> ~Jason

-- 
www.pragtob.info

Re: [shoes] Hackety Hack

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2015-01-13 @ 08:44
Hackety does run on Shoes 3.2 as a Shoes app. It probably wouldn't be 
that hard for someone (else)  to package and distribute new self 
installing binaries for Hackety. I'd help if someone wants to take he 
lead on that.

Fixing the hackety.com website? Contact the owner if that's something 
you're willing to do.

Bueller?

--Cecil

On 01/13/2015 12:36 AM, Tobias Pfeiffer wrote:
> Without a main thing to run hackety on, hackety is pretty much dead... 
once that is settled hackety.com also needs a MAJOR upgrade. It's still 
runing rails 3.1 among other things.

Re: [shoes] Hackety Hack

From:
Douglas Allen
Date:
2015-01-29 @ 18:09
Well thanks for the encouragement all. I do have hacketyhack working here
in kali linux. I'm not sure how to check which version of shoes it is from
within hacketyhack though. Shoes federales is not working even though it
put a link in my menu for it. When I try to run it the shell says that it
can't find things so I went and built shoes from source and everything is
fine. So I just dropped that into the federales folder and it works even
though the icon is changed now. I won't miss it.
The link you gave is very pore response and I just google searched it and
get http://www.hackety.com/ which gives a pretty good looking site so why
worry till it breaks. Just fyi if you might be interested I was looking at
the prag book on gui scripted and got into looking for the jemmy.jar It's
been moved around a bit but I've found some sources for it at these links.
http://www.java2s.com/Code/Jar/j/Downloadjemmy2300jar.htm
http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.netbeans/jemmy/2.2.7.5
I'm not sure what it does but I'm sure you all hacking on shoes 4 would. As
far as I can tell it's a test framework for java swt and awt. I just
haven't gotten in to it yet. Good luck. If it's worthless to you then just
disregard and I'll understand. No discussion needed.

Thanks again.
KB9AGT saying 73s(Best Regards un Ham lingo)

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:

> Hackety does run on Shoes 3.2 as a Shoes app. It probably wouldn't be
> that hard for someone (else)  to package and distribute new self
> installing binaries for Hackety. I'd help if someone wants to take he
> lead on that.
>
> Fixing the hackety.com website? Contact the owner if that's something
> you're willing to do.
>
> Bueller?
>
> --Cecil
>
> On 01/13/2015 12:36 AM, Tobias Pfeiffer wrote:
> > Without a main thing to run hackety on, hackety is pretty much dead...
> once that is settled hackety.com also needs a MAJOR upgrade. It's still
> runing rails 3.1 among other things.
>
>

Re: [shoes] Hackety Hack

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2015-01-30 @ 08:37
On 01/29/2015 11:09 AM, Douglas Allen wrote:
> Well thanks for the encouragement all. I do have hacketyhack working 
> here in kali linux. I'm not sure how to check which version of shoes 
> it is from within hacketyhack though. Shoes federales is not working 
> even though it put a link in my menu for it. When I try to run it the 
> shell says that it can't find things so I went and built shoes from 
> source and everything is fine. So I just dropped that into the 
> federales folder and it works even though the icon is changed now. I 
> won't miss it.

Sorry to hear about your Federales experience, Doug.  It sounds like 
it's too late to debug that problem. You didn't mention where you got 
the source from. You might have 3.1 or 3.2. You can tell the difference 
from the Shoes splash screen.  Is there a "Maintain Shoes" link? If so, 
that's federales.  If not you've got an older version of Shoes.

Since you have a source build, you can tell the difference with a 'rake 
-T'  Federales has tasks like 'linux:setup:crosspi' and 
'osx:setup:mavericks'. It has an 'install' target that would do the copy 
into ~/shoes/federales for you.  Not there? - you have an older version 
of Shoes source code.

Shoes 3.2 (aka federales) tries to adhere to 
http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ for its menu entries.  Somewhere on 
your system is a Shoes.desktop file. It's a text file you can edit and 
change the path to where your Shoes lives and point to what ever icon 
you'd like, Or clone it for a Hackety menu

'man xdg-desktop-menu'
--Cecil


> The link you gave is very pore response and I just google searched it 
> and get http://www.hackety.com/ which gives a pretty good looking site 
> so why worry till it breaks. Just fyi if you might be interested I was 
> looking at the prag book on gui scripted and got into looking for the 
> jemmy.jar It's been moved around a bit but I've found some sources for 
> it at these links. 
> http://www.java2s.com/Code/Jar/j/Downloadjemmy2300jar.htm 
> <http://www.java2s.com/C%0A%20ode/Jar/j/Downloadjemmy2300jar.htm>
> http://mvnrepository.com/artifact/org.netbeans/jemmy/2.2.7.5
> I'm not sure what it does but I'm sure you all hacking on shoes 4 
> would. As far as I can tell it's a test framework for java swt and 
> awt. I just haven't gotten in to it yet. Good luck. If it's worthless 
> to you then just disregard and I'll understand. No discussion needed.
>
> Thanks again.
> KB9AGT saying 73s(Best Regards un Ham lingo)
>
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:44 AM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net 
> <mailto:ccoupe@cableone.net>> wrote:
>
>     Hackety does run on Shoes 3.2 as a Shoes app. It probably wouldn't be
>     that hard for someone (else)  to package and distribute new self
>     installing binaries for Hackety. I'd help if someone wants to take he
>     lead on that.
>
>     Fixing the hackety.com <http://hackety.com> website? Contact the
>     owner if that's something
>     you're willing to do.
>
>     Bueller?
>
>     --Cecil
>
>     On 01/13/2015 12:36 AM, Tobias Pfeiffer wrote:
>     > Without a main thing to run hackety on, hackety is pretty much
>     dead... once that is settled hackety.com <http://hackety.com> also
>     needs a MAJOR upgrade. It's still runing rails 3.1 among other things.
>
>

Re: [shoes] Hackety Hack

From:
Douglas Allen
Date:
2015-02-01 @ 00:06
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