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shoes + ruby 2

From:
Olivier Morel
Date:
2014-02-07 @ 16:52
hy
i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?

-- 
Cordialement

Olivier Morel
tel : 06.62.25.03.77

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2014-02-07 @ 18:42
Hi,

   I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and 
it mostly works.
There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem 
if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have 
a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.

--Cecil
http://www.mvmanila.com
https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes

On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
> hy
> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>
> -- 
> Cordialement
>
> Olivier Morel
> tel : 06.62.25.03.77

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Arne Brasseur
Date:
2014-02-07 @ 20:15
That's for the "original" Red Shoes. You should be able to use Ruby 2
features and syntax with JRuby and Shoes 4. It still has a few issues, but
that's true for Red Shoes as well. The difference is that it's actively
being developed so if you run into issues they're more likely to get fixed.

I suppose Green Shoes should also work on ruby 2?
Hi,

   I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and
it mostly works.
There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem
if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have
a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.

--Cecil
http://www.mvmanila.com
https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes

On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
> hy
> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>
> --
> Cordialement
>
> Olivier Morel
> tel : 06.62.25.03.77

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Ewan Slater
Date:
2014-02-07 @ 20:16
Just as a matter of interest how many people are using Linux for Ruby and Shoes?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Linux isn't the first 
choice OS in this area.

If that is the case I find it a bit odd - usually I find with open source 
software that Linux is the preferred OS.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 Feb 2014, at 18:42, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>   I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and 
> it mostly works.
> There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem 
> if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have 
> a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.
> 
> --Cecil
> http://www.mvmanila.com
> https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes
> 
>> On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
>> hy
>> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
>> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cordialement
>> 
>> Olivier Morel
>> tel : 06.62.25.03.77
> 

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2014-02-07 @ 23:40
Hi Ewan,

   I would guess that folks that are starting learn programming are 
using more popular
systems like Windows with a smattering of OSX and Linux.  Ruby is highly 
unix-centric so more advanced Ruby developers approach Shoes from that 
direction (Linux, OSX).

   Since there only appears to be one person attempting to maintain Red 
Shoes and I use Linux, that makes it 100% of that population group.

On 02/07/2014 01:16 PM, Ewan Slater wrote:
> Just as a matter of interest how many people are using Linux for Ruby and Shoes?
>
> Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Linux isn't the first 
choice OS in this area.
>
> If that is the case I find it a bit odd - usually I find with open 
source software that Linux is the preferred OS.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 18:42, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>    I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and
>> it mostly works.
>> There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem
>> if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have
>> a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.
>>
>> --Cecil
>> http://www.mvmanila.com
>> https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes
>>
>>> On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
>>> hy
>>> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
>>> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Cordialement
>>>
>>> Olivier Morel
>>> tel : 06.62.25.03.77

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Ewan Slater
Date:
2014-02-10 @ 08:19
Hi Cecil,

That's what I'd hoped.

I just had problems getting it to build on Debian (using a Fedora VM for 
it at the moment), and a lot of the information seemed to be Mac or 
Windows orientated.

Cheers,

Ewan

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 Feb 2014, at 23:40, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ewan,
> 
>   I would guess that folks that are starting learn programming are 
> using more popular
> systems like Windows with a smattering of OSX and Linux.  Ruby is highly 
> unix-centric so more advanced Ruby developers approach Shoes from that 
> direction (Linux, OSX).
> 
>   Since there only appears to be one person attempting to maintain Red 
> Shoes and I use Linux, that makes it 100% of that population group.
> 
>> On 02/07/2014 01:16 PM, Ewan Slater wrote:
>> Just as a matter of interest how many people are using Linux for Ruby 
and Shoes?
>> 
>> Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Linux isn't the first 
choice OS in this area.
>> 
>> If that is the case I find it a bit odd - usually I find with open 
source software that Linux is the preferred OS.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 18:42, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>   I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and
>>> it mostly works.
>>> There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem
>>> if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have
>>> a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.
>>> 
>>> --Cecil
>>> http://www.mvmanila.com
>>> https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes
>>> 
>>>> On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
>>>> hy
>>>> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
>>>> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Cordialement
>>>> 
>>>> Olivier Morel
>>>> tel : 06.62.25.03.77
> 

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Tobias Pfeiffer
Date:
2014-02-10 @ 09:57
Hi Ewan,

I use Linux Mint Debian Edition (based off Debian Testing) - building 
shoes works beautifully over here :)

Cheers,
Tobi

On Mon 10 Feb 2014 09:19:29 AM CET, Ewan Slater wrote:
> Hi Cecil,
>
> That's what I'd hoped.
>
> I just had problems getting it to build on Debian (using a Fedora VM for
it at the moment), and a lot of the information seemed to be Mac or 
Windows orientated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ewan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 23:40, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ewan,
>>
>>   I would guess that folks that are starting learn programming are
>> using more popular
>> systems like Windows with a smattering of OSX and Linux.  Ruby is highly
>> unix-centric so more advanced Ruby developers approach Shoes from that
>> direction (Linux, OSX).
>>
>>   Since there only appears to be one person attempting to maintain Red
>> Shoes and I use Linux, that makes it 100% of that population group.
>>
>>> On 02/07/2014 01:16 PM, Ewan Slater wrote:
>>> Just as a matter of interest how many people are using Linux for Ruby 
and Shoes?
>>>
>>> Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Linux isn't the first 
choice OS in this area.
>>>
>>> If that is the case I find it a bit odd - usually I find with open 
source software that Linux is the preferred OS.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 18:42, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>   I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and
>>>> it mostly works.
>>>> There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem
>>>> if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have
>>>> a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.
>>>>
>>>> --Cecil
>>>> http://www.mvmanila.com
>>>> https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes
>>>>
>>>>> On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
>>>>> hy
>>>>> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
>>>>> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cordialement
>>>>>
>>>>> Olivier Morel
>>>>> tel : 06.62.25.03.77
>>

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2014-02-11 @ 03:27
This is pretty far off topic, but I use 3 Linux VM vm's on my Ubuntu 
13.10 for testing binary distributions of Red Shoes 3.2 + my raspberry 
pi. I set up the smallest, minimalist install of each. Just enough
to login, download a Shoes binary and see what happens.  A Debian 7.2 
(32 bit) , OpenSuse 11.?? with Xfce (64) and OpenFedora 20. FWIW, Fedora 
was the  least friendly and most difficult to figure out where 
everything was. Suse doesn't know the meaning of minimal - but Xfce 
doesn't annoy me and Debian is fast, simple, and small (beware: a 
netinstall can take a long time)

I'm not surprised you had some difficulties with Fedora, Ewan. The 
default install appears to be the worst part of modern Ubuntu grafted 
onto the most annoying parts of Fedora.

That's just one persons opinion and reasonable people can disagree, but 
my life is easier using Debian based systems - there's far more 
developer level information, forums, and blog postings that can help 
answer questions for Debian based systems. It's just easier to deal with.

On 02/10/2014 02:57 AM, Tobias Pfeiffer wrote:
> Hi Ewan,
>
> I use Linux Mint Debian Edition (based off Debian Testing) - building
> shoes works beautifully over here :)
>
> Cheers,
> Tobi
>
> On Mon 10 Feb 2014 09:19:29 AM CET, Ewan Slater wrote:
>> Hi Cecil,
>>
>> That's what I'd hoped.
>>
>> I just had problems getting it to build on Debian (using a Fedora VM 
for it at the moment), and a lot of the information seemed to be Mac or 
Windows orientated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ewan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 23:40, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ewan,
>>>
>>>    I would guess that folks that are starting learn programming are
>>> using more popular
>>> systems like Windows with a smattering of OSX and Linux.  Ruby is highly
>>> unix-centric so more advanced Ruby developers approach Shoes from that
>>> direction (Linux, OSX).
>>>
>>>    Since there only appears to be one person attempting to maintain Red
>>> Shoes and I use Linux, that makes it 100% of that population group.
>>>
>>>> On 02/07/2014 01:16 PM, Ewan Slater wrote:
>>>> Just as a matter of interest how many people are using Linux for Ruby
and Shoes?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Linux isn't the first 
choice OS in this area.
>>>>
>>>> If that is the case I find it a bit odd - usually I find with open 
source software that Linux is the preferred OS.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 18:42, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>    I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and
>>>>> it mostly works.
>>>>> There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem
>>>>> if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have
>>>>> a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Cecil
>>>>> http://www.mvmanila.com
>>>>> https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
>>>>>> hy
>>>>>> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
>>>>>> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cordialement
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Olivier Morel
>>>>>> tel : 06.62.25.03.77

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Ewan Slater
Date:
2014-02-11 @ 07:18
Hi Cecil,

No I agree with you - Debian is my distribution of choice.

I couldn't get shoes to build on a Wheezy / xfce machine, but it did build
on Fedora.  Go figure.

I may try a VM with Jessie and see if I get on any better with that.

Cheers,

Ewan

Sent from my iPhone 

> On 11 Feb 2014, at 03:27, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
> 
> This is pretty far off topic, but I use 3 Linux VM vm's on my Ubuntu 
> 13.10 for testing binary distributions of Red Shoes 3.2 + my raspberry 
> pi. I set up the smallest, minimalist install of each. Just enough
> to login, download a Shoes binary and see what happens.  A Debian 7.2 
> (32 bit) , OpenSuse 11.?? with Xfce (64) and OpenFedora 20. FWIW, Fedora 
> was the  least friendly and most difficult to figure out where 
> everything was. Suse doesn't know the meaning of minimal - but Xfce 
> doesn't annoy me and Debian is fast, simple, and small (beware: a 
> netinstall can take a long time)
> 
> I'm not surprised you had some difficulties with Fedora, Ewan. The 
> default install appears to be the worst part of modern Ubuntu grafted 
> onto the most annoying parts of Fedora.
> 
> That's just one persons opinion and reasonable people can disagree, but 
> my life is easier using Debian based systems - there's far more 
> developer level information, forums, and blog postings that can help 
> answer questions for Debian based systems. It's just easier to deal with.
> 
>> On 02/10/2014 02:57 AM, Tobias Pfeiffer wrote:
>> Hi Ewan,
>> 
>> I use Linux Mint Debian Edition (based off Debian Testing) - building
>> shoes works beautifully over here :)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Tobi
>> 
>>> On Mon 10 Feb 2014 09:19:29 AM CET, Ewan Slater wrote:
>>> Hi Cecil,
>>> 
>>> That's what I'd hoped.
>>> 
>>> I just had problems getting it to build on Debian (using a Fedora VM 
for it at the moment), and a lot of the information seemed to be Mac or 
Windows orientated.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Ewan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 23:40, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ewan,
>>>> 
>>>>   I would guess that folks that are starting learn programming are
>>>> using more popular
>>>> systems like Windows with a smattering of OSX and Linux.  Ruby is highly
>>>> unix-centric so more advanced Ruby developers approach Shoes from that
>>>> direction (Linux, OSX).
>>>> 
>>>>   Since there only appears to be one person attempting to maintain Red
>>>> Shoes and I use Linux, that makes it 100% of that population group.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 02/07/2014 01:16 PM, Ewan Slater wrote:
>>>>> Just as a matter of interest how many people are using Linux for 
Ruby and Shoes?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Linux isn't the first
choice OS in this area.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If that is the case I find it a bit odd - usually I find with open 
source software that Linux is the preferred OS.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 18:42, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and
>>>>>> it mostly works.
>>>>>> There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem
>>>>>> if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have
>>>>>> a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --Cecil
>>>>>> http://www.mvmanila.com
>>>>>> https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
>>>>>>> hy
>>>>>>> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
>>>>>>> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cordialement
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Olivier Morel
>>>>>>> tel : 06.62.25.03.77
> 

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Sebastjan Hribar
Date:
2014-02-11 @ 09:39
Hi,

after several years of using ubuntu I'm considering to venture outside 
it's realm to try another linux distro and partially also due to the 
"shopping spyware" as the call it, which was introduced in 13.10.

As I read here Mint or Debian would be best choices to also accommodate 
ruby and shoes. Is there anything to suggest one is more suitable than 
the other or can I just pick one?

thank you and regards,
seba



Dne 10. 02. 2014 10:57, piše Tobias Pfeiffer:
> Hi Ewan,
>
> I use Linux Mint Debian Edition (based off Debian Testing) - building
> shoes works beautifully over here :)
>
> Cheers,
> Tobi
>
> On Mon 10 Feb 2014 09:19:29 AM CET, Ewan Slater wrote:
>> Hi Cecil,
>>
>> That's what I'd hoped.
>>
>> I just had problems getting it to build on Debian (using a Fedora VM 
for it at the moment), and a lot of the information seemed to be Mac or 
Windows orientated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ewan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 23:40, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ewan,
>>>
>>>    I would guess that folks that are starting learn programming are
>>> using more popular
>>> systems like Windows with a smattering of OSX and Linux.  Ruby is highly
>>> unix-centric so more advanced Ruby developers approach Shoes from that
>>> direction (Linux, OSX).
>>>
>>>    Since there only appears to be one person attempting to maintain Red
>>> Shoes and I use Linux, that makes it 100% of that population group.
>>>
>>>> On 02/07/2014 01:16 PM, Ewan Slater wrote:
>>>> Just as a matter of interest how many people are using Linux for Ruby
and Shoes?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Linux isn't the first 
choice OS in this area.
>>>>
>>>> If that is the case I find it a bit odd - usually I find with open 
source software that Linux is the preferred OS.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 18:42, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>    I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and
>>>>> it mostly works.
>>>>> There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem
>>>>> if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have
>>>>> a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Cecil
>>>>> http://www.mvmanila.com
>>>>> https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
>>>>>> hy
>>>>>> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
>>>>>> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cordialement
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Olivier Morel
>>>>>> tel : 06.62.25.03.77

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2014-02-12 @ 02:35
Seba,

   My dislike of Ubuntu Unity interface is very high so I installed 
Cinnamon Theme/gnome shell (part of Mint) on my 13.10 system. It takes a 
lot of configuration but it mostly works the way I want. It's very close 
to Mint/Cinnamon.  They all suffer from some Gnome 3 decisions I 
wouldn't have made but that's life.

Shoes3 or 4 shouldn't work better, or worse on any of them. Shoes3.x 
(and swt) use Gtk and gtk themes can change appearance of controls and 
layouts.  Some people find that very  important. If you do,  then you 
need a distribution with themes you like or are willing to modify.  One 
day, when I have nothing important to do, I'll tweak my theme 
settings/apps to be nicer. Or wait for new release and hope for the best.
--Cecil

On 02/11/2014 02:39 AM, Sebastjan Hribar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> after several years of using ubuntu I'm considering to venture outside
> it's realm to try another linux distro and partially also due to the
> "shopping spyware" as the call it, which was introduced in 13.10.
>
> As I read here Mint or Debian would be best choices to also accommodate
> ruby and shoes. Is there anything to suggest one is more suitable than
> the other or can I just pick one?
>
> thank you and regards,
> seba
>
>
>
> Dne 10. 02. 2014 10:57, piše Tobias Pfeiffer:
>> Hi Ewan,
>>
>> I use Linux Mint Debian Edition (based off Debian Testing) - building
>> shoes works beautifully over here :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tobi
>>
>> On Mon 10 Feb 2014 09:19:29 AM CET, Ewan Slater wrote:
>>> Hi Cecil,
>>>
>>> That's what I'd hoped.
>>>
>>> I just had problems getting it to build on Debian (using a Fedora VM 
for it at the moment), and a lot of the information seemed to be Mac or 
Windows orientated.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ewan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 23:40, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ewan,
>>>>
>>>>     I would guess that folks that are starting learn programming are
>>>> using more popular
>>>> systems like Windows with a smattering of OSX and Linux.  Ruby is highly
>>>> unix-centric so more advanced Ruby developers approach Shoes from that
>>>> direction (Linux, OSX).
>>>>
>>>>     Since there only appears to be one person attempting to maintain Red
>>>> Shoes and I use Linux, that makes it 100% of that population group.
>>>>
>>>>> On 02/07/2014 01:16 PM, Ewan Slater wrote:
>>>>> Just as a matter of interest how many people are using Linux for 
Ruby and Shoes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Linux isn't the first
choice OS in this area.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that is the case I find it a bit odd - usually I find with open 
source software that Linux is the preferred OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 18:42, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and
>>>>>> it mostly works.
>>>>>> There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem
>>>>>> if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have
>>>>>> a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Cecil
>>>>>> http://www.mvmanila.com
>>>>>> https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
>>>>>>> hy
>>>>>>> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
>>>>>>> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cordialement
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Olivier Morel
>>>>>>> tel : 06.62.25.03.77

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Sebastjan Hribar
Date:
2014-02-12 @ 07:58
Thank you Cecil and Ewan for your information.

regards,
seba

Dne 12. 02. 2014 03:35, piše Cecil Coupe:
> Seba,
>
>     My dislike of Ubuntu Unity interface is very high so I installed
> Cinnamon Theme/gnome shell (part of Mint) on my 13.10 system. It takes a
> lot of configuration but it mostly works the way I want. It's very close
> to Mint/Cinnamon.  They all suffer from some Gnome 3 decisions I
> wouldn't have made but that's life.
>
> Shoes3 or 4 shouldn't work better, or worse on any of them. Shoes3.x
> (and swt) use Gtk and gtk themes can change appearance of controls and
> layouts.  Some people find that very  important. If you do,  then you
> need a distribution with themes you like or are willing to modify.  One
> day, when I have nothing important to do, I'll tweak my theme
> settings/apps to be nicer. Or wait for new release and hope for the best.
> --Cecil
>
> On 02/11/2014 02:39 AM, Sebastjan Hribar wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> after several years of using ubuntu I'm considering to venture outside
>> it's realm to try another linux distro and partially also due to the
>> "shopping spyware" as the call it, which was introduced in 13.10.
>>
>> As I read here Mint or Debian would be best choices to also accommodate
>> ruby and shoes. Is there anything to suggest one is more suitable than
>> the other or can I just pick one?
>>
>> thank you and regards,
>> seba
>>
>>
>>
>> Dne 10. 02. 2014 10:57, piše Tobias Pfeiffer:
>>> Hi Ewan,
>>>
>>> I use Linux Mint Debian Edition (based off Debian Testing) - building
>>> shoes works beautifully over here :)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tobi
>>>
>>> On Mon 10 Feb 2014 09:19:29 AM CET, Ewan Slater wrote:
>>>> Hi Cecil,
>>>>
>>>> That's what I'd hoped.
>>>>
>>>> I just had problems getting it to build on Debian (using a Fedora VM 
for it at the moment), and a lot of the information seemed to be Mac or 
Windows orientated.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Ewan
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 23:40, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ewan,
>>>>>
>>>>>      I would guess that folks that are starting learn programming are
>>>>> using more popular
>>>>> systems like Windows with a smattering of OSX and Linux.  Ruby is highly
>>>>> unix-centric so more advanced Ruby developers approach Shoes from that
>>>>> direction (Linux, OSX).
>>>>>
>>>>>      Since there only appears to be one person attempting to maintain Red
>>>>> Shoes and I use Linux, that makes it 100% of that population group.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 01:16 PM, Ewan Slater wrote:
>>>>>> Just as a matter of interest how many people are using Linux for 
Ruby and Shoes?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Linux isn't the 
first choice OS in this area.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that is the case I find it a bit odd - usually I find with open 
source software that Linux is the preferred OS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 18:42, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and
>>>>>>> it mostly works.
>>>>>>> There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem
>>>>>>> if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have
>>>>>>> a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Cecil
>>>>>>> http://www.mvmanila.com
>>>>>>> https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
>>>>>>>> hy
>>>>>>>> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
>>>>>>>> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cordialement
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Olivier Morel
>>>>>>>> tel : 06.62.25.03.77
>

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Ewan Slater
Date:
2014-02-11 @ 09:47
They are both well known and loved distributions.

I like Debian, but that's just a personal preference.

I'd say install each on a VM have a play and decide which you prefer.

The LMDE Tobi mentions sounds interesting but haven't tried it myself.

Cheers,

Ewan

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Feb 2014, at 09:39, Sebastjan Hribar <sebastjan.hribar@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> after several years of using ubuntu I'm considering to venture outside 
> it's realm to try another linux distro and partially also due to the 
> "shopping spyware" as the call it, which was introduced in 13.10.
> 
> As I read here Mint or Debian would be best choices to also accommodate 
> ruby and shoes. Is there anything to suggest one is more suitable than 
> the other or can I just pick one?
> 
> thank you and regards,
> seba
> 
> 
> 
> Dne 10. 02. 2014 10:57, piše Tobias Pfeiffer:
>> Hi Ewan,
>> 
>> I use Linux Mint Debian Edition (based off Debian Testing) - building
>> shoes works beautifully over here :)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Tobi
>> 
>>> On Mon 10 Feb 2014 09:19:29 AM CET, Ewan Slater wrote:
>>> Hi Cecil,
>>> 
>>> That's what I'd hoped.
>>> 
>>> I just had problems getting it to build on Debian (using a Fedora VM 
for it at the moment), and a lot of the information seemed to be Mac or 
Windows orientated.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Ewan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 23:40, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ewan,
>>>> 
>>>>   I would guess that folks that are starting learn programming are
>>>> using more popular
>>>> systems like Windows with a smattering of OSX and Linux.  Ruby is highly
>>>> unix-centric so more advanced Ruby developers approach Shoes from that
>>>> direction (Linux, OSX).
>>>> 
>>>>   Since there only appears to be one person attempting to maintain Red
>>>> Shoes and I use Linux, that makes it 100% of that population group.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 02/07/2014 01:16 PM, Ewan Slater wrote:
>>>>> Just as a matter of interest how many people are using Linux for 
Ruby and Shoes?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the impression that Linux isn't the first
choice OS in this area.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If that is the case I find it a bit odd - usually I find with open 
source software that Linux is the preferred OS.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7 Feb 2014, at 18:42, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   I've done some work this week with Ruby 2 on my version of Shoes and
>>>>>> it mostly works.
>>>>>> There is a difficult problem with the manual and that would be a problem
>>>>>> if you are just beginning with Shoes.  That's for Linux. You don't have
>>>>>> a choice with Windows because it has its own copy of Ruby.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --Cecil
>>>>>> http://www.mvmanila.com
>>>>>> https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
>>>>>>> hy
>>>>>>> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
>>>>>>> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cordialement
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Olivier Morel
>>>>>>> tel : 06.62.25.03.77
> 

Re: [shoes] shoes + ruby 2

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2014-02-08 @ 07:01
Olivier,

   FWIW, I've fixed the bug with my version of Shoes (3.2), Ruby 2.0.0 
and the Manual.  If you are on Linux and you build from source (clone 
from https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes). It should work. I'm not going to 
make binary distributions of it for Windows or Linux any time soon, 
unless there is a sudden demand for them. I have other bugs/enhancements 
I want to make before setting  Ruby 2.0.0 as the one ruby for Red Shoes.

--Cecil
On 02/07/2014 09:52 AM, Olivier Morel wrote:
> hy
> i started with shoes and i have a question may be stupid .
> can i use shoes with ruby 2 ?
>
> -- 
> Cordialement
>
> Olivier Morel
> tel : 06.62.25.03.77