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Shoes 3.2 alpha 1 available for testing.

Shoes 3.2 alpha 1 available for testing.

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2014-01-01 @ 12:11
Hi all!

   I've made  decent progress in my quest to get Red Shoes updated for 
current Linux. I solicit your help in testing them. Please see 
http://mvmanila.com/2014/01/01/shoes-3-2-alpha-1/ for instructions, 
warnings, caveats, disclaimers and download links. It's alpha so there 
are known bugs with gtk+-3. The website theme is too narrow. You hate 
tarballs and would rather invoke dpkg or yum to install and want desktop 
icons and launchers. I know that. But first, I have to take baby steps. 
Do I have a nice piglet that could fly with out lipstick?

Regards,
--Cecil

Re: [shoes] Shoes 3.2 alpha 1 available for testing.

From:
Arne Brasseur
Date:
2014-01-05 @ 23:29
Hey Cecil,

Just downloaded it, and it runs out of the box on Ubuntu 13.04. The
chipmunk example seemed a bit slow but that could have many causes.

If you don't mind, as soon as I have five minutes (TM) I'll make a git repo
starting with the latest released version and applying your versions one by
one, so it's possible to get some history tracking/diffs.

Side note, don't you get uncomfortable developing without the safety net of
a version control system?

Cheers,
Arne


On 1 January 2014 09:11, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:

> Hi all!
>
>    I've made  decent progress in my quest to get Red Shoes updated for
> current Linux. I solicit your help in testing them. Please see
> http://mvmanila.com/2014/01/01/shoes-3-2-alpha-1/ for instructions,
> warnings, caveats, disclaimers and download links. It's alpha so there
> are known bugs with gtk+-3. The website theme is too narrow. You hate
> tarballs and would rather invoke dpkg or yum to install and want desktop
> icons and launchers. I know that. But first, I have to take baby steps.
> Do I have a nice piglet that could fly with out lipstick?
>
> Regards,
> --Cecil
>

Re: [shoes] Shoes 3.2 alpha 1 available for testing.

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2014-01-05 @ 23:50
Arne,

   Thanks for the help. I believe Chipmunk runs the same speed on my 
tiny raspberry as my new i5 box.

What is up on my site is not the full shoes directory so there is no 
source code to track in them. Having suffered my share of dead disk 
drives, I do make backups that work. I really do need to get my source 
code sync'd up with my Shoes at https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes.  It 
can't be any harder that cross compiling Ruby and Shoes for Windows 
which I was going to do next.

--Cecil

On 01/05/2014 04:29 PM, Arne Brasseur wrote:
> Hey Cecil,
>
> Just downloaded it, and it runs out of the box on Ubuntu 13.04. The 
> chipmunk example seemed a bit slow but that could have many causes.
>
> If you don't mind, as soon as I have five minutes (TM) I'll make a git 
> repo starting with the latest released version and applying your 
> versions one by one, so it's possible to get some history tracking/diffs.
>
> Side note, don't you get uncomfortable developing without the safety 
> net of a version control system?
>
> Cheers,
> Arne
>
>
> On 1 January 2014 09:11, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net 
> <mailto:ccoupe@cableone.net>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all!
>
>        I've made  decent progress in my quest to get Red Shoes updated for
>     current Linux. I solicit your help in testing them. Please see
>     http://mvmanila.com/2014/01/01/shoes-3-2-alpha-1/ for instructions,
>     warnings, caveats, disclaimers and download links. It's alpha so there
>     are known bugs with gtk+-3. The website theme is too narrow. You hate
>     tarballs and would rather invoke dpkg or yum to install and want
>     desktop
>     icons and launchers. I know that. But first, I have to take baby
>     steps.
>     Do I have a nice piglet that could fly with out lipstick?
>
>     Regards,
>     --Cecil
>
>

Re: [shoes] Shoes 3.2 alpha 1 available for testing.

From:
Arne Brasseur
Date:
2014-01-06 @ 00:09
Shout if you want some good resources on git. I'm sure the list has some
very good pointers.

It seems for some people it immediately clicks , and for others it just
never really makes sense.

Personally (YMMV) I found that getting your head around the data structure
(the DAG, hashes, blobs, trees, commits, branches and tags) makes using git
come very natural.
On 05 Jan 2014 20:50, "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:

>  Arne,
>
>   Thanks for the help. I believe Chipmunk runs the same speed on my tiny
> raspberry as my new i5 box.
>
> What is up on my site is not the full shoes directory so there is no
> source code to track in them. Having suffered my share of dead disk drives,
> I do make backups that work. I really do need to get my source code sync'd
> up with my Shoes at https://github.com/ccoupe/shoes.  It can't be any
> harder that cross compiling Ruby and Shoes for Windows which I was going to
> do next.
>
> --Cecil
>
> On 01/05/2014 04:29 PM, Arne Brasseur wrote:
>
>  Hey Cecil,
>
>  Just downloaded it, and it runs out of the box on Ubuntu 13.04. The
> chipmunk example seemed a bit slow but that could have many causes.
>
>  If you don't mind, as soon as I have five minutes (TM) I'll make a git
> repo starting with the latest released version and applying your versions
> one by one, so it's possible to get some history tracking/diffs.
>
>  Side note, don't you get uncomfortable developing without the safety net
> of a version control system?
>
>  Cheers,
> Arne
>
>
>  On 1 January 2014 09:11, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi all!
>>
>>    I've made  decent progress in my quest to get Red Shoes updated for
>> current Linux. I solicit your help in testing them. Please see
>> http://mvmanila.com/2014/01/01/shoes-3-2-alpha-1/ for instructions,
>> warnings, caveats, disclaimers and download links. It's alpha so there
>> are known bugs with gtk+-3. The website theme is too narrow. You hate
>> tarballs and would rather invoke dpkg or yum to install and want desktop
>> icons and launchers. I know that. But first, I have to take baby steps.
>> Do I have a nice piglet that could fly with out lipstick?
>>
>> Regards,
>> --Cecil
>>
>
>
>

Re: [shoes] Shoes 3.2 alpha 1 available for testing.

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2014-01-06 @ 07:01
       Steve and others have previously tried to educate me on git. It 
turns out that I do have a
shoes tree that has the magic .git files and it mostly matched the 
github repo.  So, I made them
match. It was mostly old stuff from my previous, failed attempt to cross 
compile for Windows.

   On my system I have ~/Projects/shoes/ which matches my github repo. I 
also have ~/Projects/shoes3.2 where all my recent work has been done. 
I'm sure there is some 'git' elegant way (branch and merge?) but I'm not 
particularly elegant guy and it's a bit late to do it the 'right' way.  
It's not that many files that have changed. If I copy them manually, git 
will find the changes in ~/Projects/shoes and I can commit them with 
comments.  Or brute force 'cp -a' and hope the timestamps are correct. 
I'll wait a day or two before I do that.

   Will it be accepted upstream into the Official Red Shoes repo? I 
don't plan to issue a pull request when I'm done. It would be a massive 
pain in the behind for who ever wanted to merge my repo with the red 
shoes repo and why bother. I do not want my efforts to distract the 
Shoes4 team.

Regards,
--Cecil

On 01/05/2014 05:09 PM, Arne Brasseur wrote:
>
> Shout if you want some good resources on git. I'm sure the list has 
> some very good pointers.
>
> It seems for some people it immediately clicks , and for others it 
> just never really makes sense.
>
> Personally (YMMV) I found that getting your head around the data 
> structure (the DAG, hashes, blobs, trees, commits, branches and tags) 
> makes using git come very natural.
>
>

Re: [shoes] Shoes 3.2 alpha 1 available for testing.

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2014-01-06 @ 19:27
Cecil, I'd love to have your patches accepted. If you want, you can
just mail me a zipfile, and I'll handle the git stuff.

Re: [shoes] Shoes 3.2 alpha 1 available for testing.

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2014-01-06 @ 21:49
Hi Steve,

   I've got my repo updated so I'm version controlled.  It was a massive 
commit which merged a clone
of 3.1, (mostly mac stuff), my old stuff and my new stuff and anything 
that I might have looked at that
caused a date change. Is suspect some history was lost.

   I still have many things that I need to do before it's mainstream ready.
--Cecil
On 01/06/2014 12:27 PM, Steve Klabnik wrote:
> Cecil, I'd love to have your patches accepted. If you want, you can
> just mail me a zipfile, and I'll handle the git stuff.

Re: [shoes] Shoes 3.2 alpha 1 available for testing.

From:
Eric Watson
Date:
2014-01-06 @ 17:00
I found this video about git pretty helpful. It gives you the guts of “how
git works” in an incredibly simple way, using tinker toys for a visual 
aid. The point is that git is much simpler than it feels. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ffBJ4sVUb4


On Jan 6, 2014, at 1:01 AM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:

>       Steve and others have previously tried to educate me on git. It 
> turns out that I do have a
> shoes tree that has the magic .git files and it mostly matched the 
> github repo.  So, I made them
> match. It was mostly old stuff from my previous, failed attempt to cross 
> compile for Windows.
> 
>   On my system I have ~/Projects/shoes/ which matches my github repo. I 
> also have ~/Projects/shoes3.2 where all my recent work has been done. 
> I'm sure there is some 'git' elegant way (branch and merge?) but I'm not 
> particularly elegant guy and it's a bit late to do it the 'right' way.  
> It's not that many files that have changed. If I copy them manually, git 
> will find the changes in ~/Projects/shoes and I can commit them with 
> comments.  Or brute force 'cp -a' and hope the timestamps are correct. 
> I'll wait a day or two before I do that.
> 
>   Will it be accepted upstream into the Official Red Shoes repo? I 
> don't plan to issue a pull request when I'm done. It would be a massive 
> pain in the behind for who ever wanted to merge my repo with the red 
> shoes repo and why bother. I do not want my efforts to distract the 
> Shoes4 team.
> 
> Regards,
> --Cecil
> 
> On 01/05/2014 05:09 PM, Arne Brasseur wrote:
>> 
>> Shout if you want some good resources on git. I'm sure the list has 
>> some very good pointers.
>> 
>> It seems for some people it immediately clicks , and for others it 
>> just never really makes sense.
>> 
>> Personally (YMMV) I found that getting your head around the data 
>> structure (the DAG, hashes, blobs, trees, commits, branches and tags) 
>> makes using git come very natural.
>> 
>> 
>