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Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
ashbb
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 12:12
Hi folks,

I've done a quick check through all the methods written in the Shoes 3
manual and found the following methods we've not implemented for now.

- font
- style
- attach
- displace
- arrow
- transform
- translate
- span
- video
- start
- after
- before
- prepend
- gutter
- scroll
- to_pattern

So, I have a quesion. ;-)

Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?
Or are there any mehods we must implement before first release?

IMHO, it's enough to release Shoes 4 now. What do you think?

ashbb

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 12:18
I think I'd be okay, if that's all that's missing.

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Tobias Pfeiffer
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:16
I know I still remember my editor refactoring. It was a mixture of horror 
and fascination. I'd opt for gradual refactoring though. I already 
extracted the tabs and will t
ry to move them to a gem if I have time.

As for shoes I think right now we're like alpha but slot#append should be 
there at the very least I guess. 

Just a bit scared that people try the alpha or whatever and get put off. 
Rhat said I hope we get help from gsoc so this summer/autumn soubds more 
and more realistic.

Shoes on!
Sent from my mobile - Sorry for the brevity

Steve Klabnik <steve@steveklabnik.com> wrote:

>> I like the idea of using getting hacketyhack working as a baseline :-)
>
>I spent a whole bunch of time today looking at the Hackety source, I
>am going to have to basically re-write it as well. It is far too
>complex.

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Davor
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:24
We need to make a detailed list of things, so that we know that we've got a
release when those things are finished.

Tobi, did you make anything like that for your gsoc application?

Davor Babic
davor@davor.se
(from mobile)
On 22 Apr 2013 15:17, "Tobias Pfeiffer" <
tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:

> I know I still remember my editor refactoring. It was a mixture of horror
> and fascination. I'd opt for gradual refactoring though. I already
> extracted the tabs and will t
> ry to move them to a gem if I have time.
>
> As for shoes I think right now we're like alpha but slot#append should be
> there at the very least I guess.
>
> Just a bit scared that people try the alpha or whatever and get put off.
> Rhat said I hope we get help from gsoc so this summer/autumn soubds more
> and more realistic.
>
> Shoes on!
> Sent from my mobile - Sorry for the brevity
>
> Steve Klabnik <steve@steveklabnik.com> wrote:
>
> >> I like the idea of using getting hacketyhack working as a baseline :-)
> >
> >I spent a whole bunch of time today looking at the Hackety source, I
> >am going to have to basically re-write it as well. It is far too
> >complex.
>

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Steven!
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 18:24
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 03:24:25PM +0200, Davor wrote:
> We need to make a detailed list of things, so that we know that we've got a
> release when those things are finished.
> 
> Tobi, did you make anything like that for your gsoc application?
> 
> Davor Babic
> davor@davor.se
> (from mobile)
> On 22 Apr 2013 15:17, "Tobias Pfeiffer" <
> tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
> 
> > I know I still remember my editor refactoring. It was a mixture of horror
> > and fascination. I'd opt for gradual refactoring though. I already
> > extracted the tabs and will t
> > ry to move them to a gem if I have time.
> >
> > As for shoes I think right now we're like alpha but slot#append should be
> > there at the very least I guess.
> >
> > Just a bit scared that people try the alpha or whatever and get put off.
> > Rhat said I hope we get help from gsoc so this summer/autumn soubds more
> > and more realistic.
> >
> > Shoes on!
> > Sent from my mobile - Sorry for the brevity
> >
> > Steve Klabnik <steve@steveklabnik.com> wrote:
> >
> > >> I like the idea of using getting hacketyhack working as a baseline :-)
> > >
> > >I spent a whole bunch of time today looking at the Hackety source, I
> > >am going to have to basically re-write it as well. It is far too
> > >complex.
> >

Could we get a milestone set up on GitHub for the 4.0.0 prerelease and
start adding issues to that?

-- 
Cheers,
Steven!

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Eric Watson
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 19:16
On Apr 22, 2013, at 1:24 PM, Steven! <steven@nuclearsandwich.com> wrote:

> Could we get a milestone set up on GitHub for the 4.0.0 prerelease and
> start adding issues to that?

Great idea. https://github.com/shoes/shoes4/issues?milestone=2&state=open

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Tobias Pfeiffer
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:52
No not yet... and right now I'm at the Railsberry conference in Krakow, 
Poland. I can try to get something more detailed going on Wednesday, but 
I think a real good complete list is a huge task that would take quite 
some time e.g. maybe during the first days of gsoc but that would be too 
late now.

for reference, here is the rough roadmap as originally posted by the end 
of december. Of course subject to discussions and change is welcome:


- 4.0.0-pre1
    run all examples

- 4.0.0-pre2
    update built-in manual

- 4.0.0
    + upload shoes-4.0.0.gem to RubyGems.org
    + redesign Shoes website

- 4.0.1
    support packaging

- 4.0.2
    run Hackety Hack


Cheers,
Tobi

PS: By the way great work everyone so far, I mean, overall =)

On 04/22/2013 03:24 PM, Davor wrote:
 >
 > We need to make a detailed list of things, so that we know that we've 
got a release when those things are finished.
 >
 > Tobi, did you make anything like that for your gsoc application?
 >
 > Davor Babic
 > davor@davor.se
 > (from mobile)
 > On 22 Apr 2013 15:17, "Tobias Pfeiffer" 
<tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
 >
 >     I know I still remember my editor refactoring. It was a mixture 
of horror and fascination. I'd opt for gradual refactoring though. I 
already extracted the tabs and will t
 >     ry to move them to a gem if I have time.
 >
 >     As for shoes I think right now we're like alpha but slot#append 
should be there at the very least I guess.
 >
 >     Just a bit scared that people try the alpha or whatever and get 
put off. Rhat said I hope we get help from gsoc so this summer/autumn 
soubds more and more realistic.
 >
 >     Shoes on!
 >     Sent from my mobile - Sorry for the brevity
 >
 >     Steve Klabnik <steve@steveklabnik.com> wrote:
 >
 >     >> I like the idea of using getting hacketyhack working as a 
baseline :-)
 >     >
 >     >I spent a whole bunch of time today looking at the Hackety source, I
 >     >am going to have to basically re-write it as well. It is far too
 >     >complex.
 >

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Tobias Pfeiffer
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 19:23
There just shouldnt be much porting.. At least from shoes3 it should just 
work (tm)
Sent from my mobile - Sorry for the brevity

David Eastman <deastman1@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hey Sebastjan, porting a working project to shoes 4 is a key programming 
activity. 
>
>
>
>On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Sebastjan Hribar 
<sebastjan.hribar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hi guys,
>
>I can't help with my programming skills (or lack there of), but if 
there's anythign else like manuals or something along those lines that 
you'd need just let me know.
>
>I also hope I'll have the time to start porting my projects from green 
shoes to shoes 4 soon.
>
>kind regards
>seba
>
>love shoes!
>
>
>
>2013/4/22 Tobias Pfeiffer <tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>
>
>Yeah packaging totally is a core feature.
>
>That's actually one thing that probably should be changed about the
>roadmap I just posted, packaging should be in 4.0.0. I think that was
>also the result of the discussion back then, just lacking wifi and time
>here at Railsberry a bit :-)
>
>Cheers,
>Tobi
>
>
>On Mon 22 Apr 2013 03:40:22 PM CEST, David Eastman wrote:
>> I'm wary of packaging starting to drift away from core release,
>> although I know that is not what you said Tobias.
>>
>> Obviously an alpha doesn't need packaging, but lets keep it as a first
>> class citizen!
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Davor <davor@davor.se
>
>> <mailto:davor@davor.se>> wrote:
>>
>>     +1 On what you said about packaging and tagging.
>>
>>     Davor Babic
>
>>     davor@davor.se <mailto:davor@davor.se>
>
>>     (from mobile)
>>
>>     On 22 Apr 2013 15:30, "Tobias Pfeiffer"
>>     <tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de
>
>>     <mailto:tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>> wrote:
>>
>>         I actually created a basic roadmap some months back. We could
>>         start from that. I'll dig up the email and send it again to
>>         this thread.
>>
>>         I'm also pro on tagging issues for a pre releas (or alpha
>>         release) whatever you want to have.
>>
>>         As for packaging, I'm thinking about packaging more as a
>>         release future not for the first pre/alpha whatever version.
>>         That would be for experienced people to play with and notice
>>         bugs etc... bugs with packaging etc. could be the second round.
>>
>>         By the way, love the buzz going on here :-)
>>
>>         Cheers,
>>         Tobi
>>         On 04/22/2013 03:12 PM, Jonathan Mukai wrote:
>>>
>>>         Newb here, but +1 for roadmap.
>>>
>>>         On Apr 22, 2013 9:08 AM, "Eric Watson" <wasnotrice@gmail.com
>
>>>         <mailto:wasnotrice@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Arne Brasseur
>>>             <arne.brasseur@gmail.com
>
>>>             <mailto:arne.brasseur@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             > I also feel that there are still some essential things
>>>             missing, like DSL methods that can be called in several
>>>             ways but only one is implemented.
>>>
>>>             This is true. For instance #toggle is implemented for
>>>             shapes, but not for text (I was pairing on this over the
>>>             weekend).
>>>
>>>             The other things I would like to see are
>>>
>>>             - cross-platform packaging
>>>             - a Shoes.app/exe/??? that provides a GUI for running and
>>>             packaging apps.
>>>
>>>             I love the push to release, though. Would it work to
>>>             create issues for outstanding features and tag them 4.0-pre?
>>>
>>>             Eric
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Sebastjan Hribar
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 19:45
Dne 22. 04. 2013 21:23, pis(e Tobias Pfeiffer:
> There just shouldnt be much porting.. At least from shoes3 it should 
> just work (tm)
> Sent from my mobile - Sorry for the brevity
>
I used Shoes3 for only one small app, the rest are all green shoes and I 
look forward to have them in Shoes4.

> David Eastman <deastman1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Sebastjan, porting a working project to shoes 4 is a key 
> programming activity.
>
I understand, you have a point, still I am the one who usually asks some 
trivial stuff and you guys come to the rescue:)

kind regards,
seba

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
David Eastman
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 19:53
I'm sure there is a Family Guy sketch with someone just laughing repeatedly
for, say, 2 minutes,


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Tobias Pfeiffer <
tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:

> There just shouldnt be much porting.. At least from shoes3 it should just
> work (tm)
>
> Sent from my mobile - Sorry for the brevity
>
> David Eastman <deastman1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Sebastjan, porting a working project to shoes 4 is a key programming
> activity.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Sebastjan Hribar <
> sebastjan.hribar@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I can't help with my programming skills (or lack there of), but if
>> there's anythign else like manuals or something along those lines that
>> you'd need just let me know.
>> I also hope I'll have the time to start porting my projects from green
>> shoes to shoes 4 soon.
>>
>> kind regards
>> seba
>> love shoes!
>>
>>
>> 2013/4/22 Tobias Pfeiffer <tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>
>>
>>> Yeah packaging totally is a core feature.
>>>
>>> That's actually one thing that probably should be changed about the
>>> roadmap I just posted, packaging should be in 4.0.0. I think that was
>>> also the result of the discussion back then, just lacking wifi and time
>>> here at Railsberry a bit :-)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tobi
>>>
>>> On Mon 22 Apr 2013 03:40:22 PM CEST, David Eastman wrote:
>>> > I'm wary of packaging starting to drift away from core release,
>>> > although I know that is not what you said Tobias.
>>> >
>>> > Obviously an alpha doesn't need packaging, but lets keep it as a first
>>> > class citizen!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Davor <davor@davor.se
>>> > <mailto:davor@davor.se>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     +1 On what you said about packaging and tagging.
>>> >
>>> >     Davor Babic
>>> >     davor@davor.se <mailto:davor@davor.se>
>>> >     (from mobile)
>>> >
>>> >     On 22 Apr 2013 15:30, "Tobias Pfeiffer"
>>> >     <tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de
>>> >     <mailto:tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >         I actually created a basic roadmap some months back. We could
>>> >         start from that. I'll dig up the email and send it again to
>>> >         this thread.
>>> >
>>> >         I'm also pro on tagging issues for a pre releas (or alpha
>>> >         release) whatever you want to have.
>>> >
>>> >         As for packaging, I'm thinking about packaging more as a
>>> >         release future not for the first pre/alpha whatever version.
>>> >         That would be for experienced people to play with and notice
>>> >         bugs etc... bugs with packaging etc. could be the second round.
>>> >
>>> >         By the way, love the buzz going on here :-)
>>> >
>>> >         Cheers,
>>> >         Tobi
>>> >         On 04/22/2013 03:12 PM, Jonathan Mukai wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>         Newb here, but +1 for roadmap.
>>> >>
>>> >>         On Apr 22, 2013 9:08 AM, "Eric Watson" <wasnotrice@gmail.com
>>> >>         <mailto:wasnotrice@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>             On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Arne Brasseur
>>> >>             <arne.brasseur@gmail.com
>>> >>             <mailto:arne.brasseur@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>             > I also feel that there are still some essential things
>>> >>             missing, like DSL methods that can be called in several
>>> >>             ways but only one is implemented.
>>> >>
>>> >>             This is true. For instance #toggle is implemented for
>>> >>             shapes, but not for text (I was pairing on this over the
>>> >>             weekend).
>>> >>
>>> >>             The other things I would like to see are
>>> >>
>>> >>             - cross-platform packaging
>>> >>             - a Shoes.app/exe/??? that provides a GUI for running and
>>> >>             packaging apps.
>>> >>
>>> >>             I love the push to release, though. Would it work to
>>> >>             create issues for outstanding features and tag them
>>> 4.0-pre?
>>> >>
>>> >>             Eric
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Tobias Pfeiffer
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 19:57
Should be true mainly for green shoes as well but ashbb knows the most 
about this. That should basically break down to red/green 
incompabitilities
Sent from my mobile - Sorry for the brevity

Sebastjan Hribar <sebastjan.hribar@gmail.com> wrote:

>Dne 22. 04. 2013 21:23, piše Tobias Pfeiffer:
>
>There just shouldnt be much porting.. At least from shoes3 it should just
work (tm)
>Sent from my mobile - Sorry for the brevity
>
>I used Shoes3 for only one small app, the rest are all green shoes and I 
look forward to have them in Shoes4.
>
>David Eastman <deastman1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Sebastjan, porting a working project to shoes 4 is a key programming 
activity. 
>
>
>I understand, you have a point, still I am the one who usually asks some 
trivial stuff and you guys come to the rescue:)
>
>kind regards,
>seba

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Tobias Pfeiffer
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 12:43
The bigger things that are actually missing are options, and methods on 
objects etc.

Last time I checked slot#append and slot offsets (left, right) were not 
working. First thing that comes to mind.

To me that's pretty basic stuff and should also be in an alpha release. 

I like the idea of using getting hacketyhack working as a baseline :-)

My opinion so far :D

Shoes on!
Tobi
Sent from my mobile - Sorry for the brevity

Steve Klabnik <steve@steveklabnik.com> wrote:

>I think I'd be okay, if that's all that's missing.

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 12:47
> I like the idea of using getting hacketyhack working as a baseline :-)

I spent a whole bunch of time today looking at the Hackety source, I
am going to have to basically re-write it as well. It is far too
complex.

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Eric Watson
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:04

On Apr 22, 2013, at 7:47 AM, Steve Klabnik <steve@steveklabnik.com> wrote:

> I
> am going to have to basically re-write it as well.

We, Steve. We ;)

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:11
> We, Steve. We ;)

<3 <3 <3 <3

It's just my PTSD coming back. Hahaha.

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Arne Brasseur
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:01
I also feel that there are still some essential things missing, like DSL
methods that can be called in several ways but only one is implemented.

Instead of rushing out a release maybe we can make a roadmap of the minimum
needed for 4.0.0pre/alpha?
On Apr 22, 2013 2:47 PM, "Steve Klabnik" <steve@steveklabnik.com> wrote:

> > I like the idea of using getting hacketyhack working as a baseline :-)
>
> I spent a whole bunch of time today looking at the Hackety source, I
> am going to have to basically re-write it as well. It is far too
> complex.
>

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Eric Watson
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:07

On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Arne Brasseur <arne.brasseur@gmail.com> wrote:

> I also feel that there are still some essential things missing, like DSL
methods that can be called in several ways but only one is implemented.

This is true. For instance #toggle is implemented for shapes, but not for 
text (I was pairing on this over the weekend).

The other things I would like to see are

- cross-platform packaging
- a Shoes.app/exe/??? that provides a GUI for running and packaging apps.

I love the push to release, though. Would it work to create issues for 
outstanding features and tag them 4.0-pre?

Eric

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Jonathan Mukai
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:12
Newb here, but +1 for roadmap.
On Apr 22, 2013 9:08 AM, "Eric Watson" <wasnotrice@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Arne Brasseur <arne.brasseur@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I also feel that there are still some essential things missing, like DSL
> methods that can be called in several ways but only one is implemented.
>
> This is true. For instance #toggle is implemented for shapes, but not for
> text (I was pairing on this over the weekend).
>
> The other things I would like to see are
>
> - cross-platform packaging
> - a Shoes.app/exe/??? that provides a GUI for running and packaging apps.
>
> I love the push to release, though. Would it work to create issues for
> outstanding features and tag them 4.0-pre?
>
> Eric
>

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Tobias Pfeiffer
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:28
I actually created a basic roadmap some months back. We could start from 
that. I'll dig up the email and send it again to this thread.

I'm also pro on tagging issues for a pre releas (or alpha release) 
whatever you want to have.

As for packaging, I'm thinking about packaging more as a release future 
not for the first pre/alpha whatever version. That would be for 
experienced people to play with and notice bugs etc... bugs with 
packaging etc. could be the second round.

By the way, love the buzz going on here :-)

Cheers,
Tobi
On 04/22/2013 03:12 PM, Jonathan Mukai wrote:
>
> Newb here, but +1 for roadmap.
>
> On Apr 22, 2013 9:08 AM, "Eric Watson" <wasnotrice@gmail.com 
> <mailto:wasnotrice@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Arne Brasseur
>     <arne.brasseur@gmail.com <mailto:arne.brasseur@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     > I also feel that there are still some essential things missing,
>     like DSL methods that can be called in several ways but only one
>     is implemented.
>
>     This is true. For instance #toggle is implemented for shapes, but
>     not for text (I was pairing on this over the weekend).
>
>     The other things I would like to see are
>
>     - cross-platform packaging
>     - a Shoes.app/exe/??? that provides a GUI for running and
>     packaging apps.
>
>     I love the push to release, though. Would it work to create issues
>     for outstanding features and tag them 4.0-pre?
>
>     Eric
>

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Davor
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:31
+1 On what you said about packaging and tagging.

Davor Babic
davor@davor.se
(from mobile)
On 22 Apr 2013 15:30, "Tobias Pfeiffer" <
tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:

>  I actually created a basic roadmap some months back. We could start from
> that. I'll dig up the email and send it again to this thread.
>
> I'm also pro on tagging issues for a pre releas (or alpha release)
> whatever you want to have.
>
> As for packaging, I'm thinking about packaging more as a release future
> not for the first pre/alpha whatever version. That would be for experienced
> people to play with and notice bugs etc... bugs with packaging etc. could
> be the second round.
>
> By the way, love the buzz going on here :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Tobi
> On 04/22/2013 03:12 PM, Jonathan Mukai wrote:
>
> Newb here, but +1 for roadmap.
> On Apr 22, 2013 9:08 AM, "Eric Watson" <wasnotrice@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Arne Brasseur <arne.brasseur@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I also feel that there are still some essential things missing, like
>> DSL methods that can be called in several ways but only one is implemented.
>>
>> This is true. For instance #toggle is implemented for shapes, but not for
>> text (I was pairing on this over the weekend).
>>
>> The other things I would like to see are
>>
>> - cross-platform packaging
>> - a Shoes.app/exe/??? that provides a GUI for running and packaging apps.
>>
>> I love the push to release, though. Would it work to create issues for
>> outstanding features and tag them 4.0-pre?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>
>

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
David Eastman
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:40
I'm wary of packaging starting to drift away from core release, although I
know that is not what you said Tobias.

Obviously an alpha doesn't need packaging, but lets keep it as a first
class citizen!


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Davor <davor@davor.se> wrote:

> +1 On what you said about packaging and tagging.
>
> Davor Babic
> davor@davor.se
> (from mobile)
> On 22 Apr 2013 15:30, "Tobias Pfeiffer" <
> tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de> wrote:
>
>>  I actually created a basic roadmap some months back. We could start from
>> that. I'll dig up the email and send it again to this thread.
>>
>> I'm also pro on tagging issues for a pre releas (or alpha release)
>> whatever you want to have.
>>
>> As for packaging, I'm thinking about packaging more as a release future
>> not for the first pre/alpha whatever version. That would be for experienced
>> people to play with and notice bugs etc... bugs with packaging etc. could
>> be the second round.
>>
>> By the way, love the buzz going on here :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tobi
>> On 04/22/2013 03:12 PM, Jonathan Mukai wrote:
>>
>> Newb here, but +1 for roadmap.
>> On Apr 22, 2013 9:08 AM, "Eric Watson" <wasnotrice@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Arne Brasseur <arne.brasseur@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I also feel that there are still some essential things missing, like
>>> DSL methods that can be called in several ways but only one is implemented.
>>>
>>> This is true. For instance #toggle is implemented for shapes, but not
>>> for text (I was pairing on this over the weekend).
>>>
>>> The other things I would like to see are
>>>
>>> - cross-platform packaging
>>> - a Shoes.app/exe/??? that provides a GUI for running and packaging apps.
>>>
>>> I love the push to release, though. Would it work to create issues for
>>> outstanding features and tag them 4.0-pre?
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Tobias Pfeiffer
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:58
Yeah packaging totally is a core feature.

That's actually one thing that probably should be changed about the 
roadmap I just posted, packaging should be in 4.0.0. I think that was 
also the result of the discussion back then, just lacking wifi and time 
here at Railsberry a bit :-)

Cheers,
Tobi

On Mon 22 Apr 2013 03:40:22 PM CEST, David Eastman wrote:
> I'm wary of packaging starting to drift away from core release,
> although I know that is not what you said Tobias.
>
> Obviously an alpha doesn't need packaging, but lets keep it as a first
> class citizen!
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Davor <davor@davor.se
> <mailto:davor@davor.se>> wrote:
>
>     +1 On what you said about packaging and tagging.
>
>     Davor Babic
>     davor@davor.se <mailto:davor@davor.se>
>     (from mobile)
>
>     On 22 Apr 2013 15:30, "Tobias Pfeiffer"
>     <tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de
>     <mailto:tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>> wrote:
>
>         I actually created a basic roadmap some months back. We could
>         start from that. I'll dig up the email and send it again to
>         this thread.
>
>         I'm also pro on tagging issues for a pre releas (or alpha
>         release) whatever you want to have.
>
>         As for packaging, I'm thinking about packaging more as a
>         release future not for the first pre/alpha whatever version.
>         That would be for experienced people to play with and notice
>         bugs etc... bugs with packaging etc. could be the second round.
>
>         By the way, love the buzz going on here :-)
>
>         Cheers,
>         Tobi
>         On 04/22/2013 03:12 PM, Jonathan Mukai wrote:
>>
>>         Newb here, but +1 for roadmap.
>>
>>         On Apr 22, 2013 9:08 AM, "Eric Watson" <wasnotrice@gmail.com
>>         <mailto:wasnotrice@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>             On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Arne Brasseur
>>             <arne.brasseur@gmail.com
>>             <mailto:arne.brasseur@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             > I also feel that there are still some essential things
>>             missing, like DSL methods that can be called in several
>>             ways but only one is implemented.
>>
>>             This is true. For instance #toggle is implemented for
>>             shapes, but not for text (I was pairing on this over the
>>             weekend).
>>
>>             The other things I would like to see are
>>
>>             - cross-platform packaging
>>             - a Shoes.app/exe/??? that provides a GUI for running and
>>             packaging apps.
>>
>>             I love the push to release, though. Would it work to
>>             create issues for outstanding features and tag them 4.0-pre?
>>
>>             Eric
>>
>
>

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Sebastjan Hribar
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 14:06
Hi guys,

I can't help with my programming skills (or lack there of), but if there's
anythign else like manuals or something along those lines that you'd need
just let me know.
I also hope I'll have the time to start porting my projects from green
shoes to shoes 4 soon.

kind regards
seba
love shoes!


2013/4/22 Tobias Pfeiffer <tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>

> Yeah packaging totally is a core feature.
>
> That's actually one thing that probably should be changed about the
> roadmap I just posted, packaging should be in 4.0.0. I think that was
> also the result of the discussion back then, just lacking wifi and time
> here at Railsberry a bit :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Tobi
>
> On Mon 22 Apr 2013 03:40:22 PM CEST, David Eastman wrote:
> > I'm wary of packaging starting to drift away from core release,
> > although I know that is not what you said Tobias.
> >
> > Obviously an alpha doesn't need packaging, but lets keep it as a first
> > class citizen!
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Davor <davor@davor.se
> > <mailto:davor@davor.se>> wrote:
> >
> >     +1 On what you said about packaging and tagging.
> >
> >     Davor Babic
> >     davor@davor.se <mailto:davor@davor.se>
> >     (from mobile)
> >
> >     On 22 Apr 2013 15:30, "Tobias Pfeiffer"
> >     <tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de
> >     <mailto:tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>> wrote:
> >
> >         I actually created a basic roadmap some months back. We could
> >         start from that. I'll dig up the email and send it again to
> >         this thread.
> >
> >         I'm also pro on tagging issues for a pre releas (or alpha
> >         release) whatever you want to have.
> >
> >         As for packaging, I'm thinking about packaging more as a
> >         release future not for the first pre/alpha whatever version.
> >         That would be for experienced people to play with and notice
> >         bugs etc... bugs with packaging etc. could be the second round.
> >
> >         By the way, love the buzz going on here :-)
> >
> >         Cheers,
> >         Tobi
> >         On 04/22/2013 03:12 PM, Jonathan Mukai wrote:
> >>
> >>         Newb here, but +1 for roadmap.
> >>
> >>         On Apr 22, 2013 9:08 AM, "Eric Watson" <wasnotrice@gmail.com
> >>         <mailto:wasnotrice@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>             On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Arne Brasseur
> >>             <arne.brasseur@gmail.com
> >>             <mailto:arne.brasseur@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>             > I also feel that there are still some essential things
> >>             missing, like DSL methods that can be called in several
> >>             ways but only one is implemented.
> >>
> >>             This is true. For instance #toggle is implemented for
> >>             shapes, but not for text (I was pairing on this over the
> >>             weekend).
> >>
> >>             The other things I would like to see are
> >>
> >>             - cross-platform packaging
> >>             - a Shoes.app/exe/??? that provides a GUI for running and
> >>             packaging apps.
> >>
> >>             I love the push to release, though. Would it work to
> >>             create issues for outstanding features and tag them 4.0-pre?
> >>
> >>             Eric
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
David Eastman
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 19:17
Hey Sebastjan, porting a working project to shoes 4 is a key programming
activity.


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Sebastjan Hribar <
sebastjan.hribar@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I can't help with my programming skills (or lack there of), but if there's
> anythign else like manuals or something along those lines that you'd need
> just let me know.
> I also hope I'll have the time to start porting my projects from green
> shoes to shoes 4 soon.
>
> kind regards
> seba
> love shoes!
>
>
> 2013/4/22 Tobias Pfeiffer <tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>
>
>> Yeah packaging totally is a core feature.
>>
>> That's actually one thing that probably should be changed about the
>> roadmap I just posted, packaging should be in 4.0.0. I think that was
>> also the result of the discussion back then, just lacking wifi and time
>> here at Railsberry a bit :-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tobi
>>
>> On Mon 22 Apr 2013 03:40:22 PM CEST, David Eastman wrote:
>> > I'm wary of packaging starting to drift away from core release,
>> > although I know that is not what you said Tobias.
>> >
>> > Obviously an alpha doesn't need packaging, but lets keep it as a first
>> > class citizen!
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Davor <davor@davor.se
>> > <mailto:davor@davor.se>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     +1 On what you said about packaging and tagging.
>> >
>> >     Davor Babic
>> >     davor@davor.se <mailto:davor@davor.se>
>> >     (from mobile)
>> >
>> >     On 22 Apr 2013 15:30, "Tobias Pfeiffer"
>> >     <tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de
>> >     <mailto:tobias.pfeiffer@student.hpi.uni-potsdam.de>> wrote:
>> >
>> >         I actually created a basic roadmap some months back. We could
>> >         start from that. I'll dig up the email and send it again to
>> >         this thread.
>> >
>> >         I'm also pro on tagging issues for a pre releas (or alpha
>> >         release) whatever you want to have.
>> >
>> >         As for packaging, I'm thinking about packaging more as a
>> >         release future not for the first pre/alpha whatever version.
>> >         That would be for experienced people to play with and notice
>> >         bugs etc... bugs with packaging etc. could be the second round.
>> >
>> >         By the way, love the buzz going on here :-)
>> >
>> >         Cheers,
>> >         Tobi
>> >         On 04/22/2013 03:12 PM, Jonathan Mukai wrote:
>> >>
>> >>         Newb here, but +1 for roadmap.
>> >>
>> >>         On Apr 22, 2013 9:08 AM, "Eric Watson" <wasnotrice@gmail.com
>> >>         <mailto:wasnotrice@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>             On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:01 AM, Arne Brasseur
>> >>             <arne.brasseur@gmail.com
>> >>             <mailto:arne.brasseur@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>             > I also feel that there are still some essential things
>> >>             missing, like DSL methods that can be called in several
>> >>             ways but only one is implemented.
>> >>
>> >>             This is true. For instance #toggle is implemented for
>> >>             shapes, but not for text (I was pairing on this over the
>> >>             weekend).
>> >>
>> >>             The other things I would like to see are
>> >>
>> >>             - cross-platform packaging
>> >>             - a Shoes.app/exe/??? that provides a GUI for running and
>> >>             packaging apps.
>> >>
>> >>             I love the push to release, though. Would it work to
>> >>             create issues for outstanding features and tag them
>> 4.0-pre?
>> >>
>> >>             Eric
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 13:11
> Would it work to create issues for outstanding features and tag them 4.0-pre?

+1.

I'm off to give a talk about Shoes/Hackety at this conf I'm at, maybe
we can get some people to help us finish off what we need for a
release.

Re: [shoes] Is it possilbe to release Shoes 4 now?

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2013-04-22 @ 12:41
.... I think at the very least, we could release a 4.0.0.pre, and
promote it a bunch, and then really see if it's good enough for a real
release :)