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List of Shoes Implementations

List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Arne Brasseur
Date:
2013-03-23 @ 19:52
Hey Shoesers,

I made a little table of the different colors of shoes, since this
really confused me in the beginning.

https://github.com/shoes/shoes4/wiki/Shoes-Implementations

So far I've added date of the first commit, the GUI backend being
used, the total number of commits, and a column for remarks.

Maybe add a column for "completeness" and one for "actively being developed?"

Shoes on!
Arne

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2013-03-23 @ 22:23
Thanks! Most of them are not being developed, we've sorta all
converged on Shoes 4. I think Green Shoes might still be undergoing a
bit of it.

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
peter marien
Date:
2013-03-24 @ 00:13
Speaking as an observer who uses shoes now and then i certainly hope Green
Shoes is going to be developed further since i don't plan to switch to
JRuby to use a GUI.

2013/3/23 Steve Klabnik <steve@steveklabnik.com>

> Thanks! Most of them are not being developed, we've sorta all
> converged on Shoes 4. I think Green Shoes might still be undergoing a
> bit of it.
>

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
David Eastman
Date:
2013-03-24 @ 01:12
The focus is on shoes4 right now, but as the table suggests, shoes is now a
family not a single product.

Shoes4 represents the goal that _why presented, of a complete gui that
people can learn with and use in hack days etc. Some of us really want the
deployable nature that the JVM gives.

Green shoes will continue to see love. Orange shoes, if it's HTML5, may be
interesting as a future mobile target.

Missing is white shoes, the meta-shoes, which will doubtless be on the
roadmap too.






On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:13 AM, peter marien <daddie88@gmail.com> wrote:

> Speaking as an observer who uses shoes now and then i certainly hope Green
> Shoes is going to be developed further since i don't plan to switch to
> JRuby to use a GUI.
>
>
> 2013/3/23 Steve Klabnik <steve@steveklabnik.com>
>
>> Thanks! Most of them are not being developed, we've sorta all
>> converged on Shoes 4. I think Green Shoes might still be undergoing a
>> bit of it.
>>
>
>

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Eric Watson
Date:
2013-03-24 @ 01:25

On Mar 23, 2013, at 8:12 PM, David Eastman <deastman1@gmail.com> wrote:

> Missing is white shoes, the meta-shoes, which will doubtless be on the 
roadmap too.

White shoes is kind of part of shoes 4. It's the isolated DSL layer. We 
plan to split off the DSL from the Swt backend, and then implement 
multiple (pluggable) backends, like Gtk and Qt, so you can run whatever 
you prefer. 

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
ashbb
Date:
2013-03-24 @ 04:43
Hi Arne and folks,

Thanks for adding a nice table in the shoes4/wiki on github. :)

- Shoes 4 is intended to implement multi backends.
- Green Shoes depends on Ruby/GTK2
- Ruby/GTK3 is released as a gem recently.

So, I hope to develop Shoes 4 with Ruby/GTK3 backend.

Cheers,
ashbb

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Davor Babic
Date:
2013-03-25 @ 07:21
It might be a good idea to mention that work has already started on a Qt 
backend for Shoes 4. https://github.com/wasnotrice/shoes-qt
-- 
Davor Babic
davor@davor.se


ashbb wrote:
> Hi Arne and folks,
>
> Thanks for adding a nice table in the shoes4/wiki on github. :)
>
> - Shoes 4 is intended to implement multi backends.
> - Green Shoes depends on Ruby/GTK2
> - Ruby/GTK3 is released as a gem recently.
>
> So, I hope to develop Shoes 4 with Ruby/GTK3 backend.
>
> Cheers,
> ashbb
>

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Arne Brasseur
Date:
2013-03-25 @ 18:23
On 25 March 2013 08:21, Davor Babic <davor@davor.se> wrote:
> It might be a good idea to mention that work has already started on a Qt
> backend for Shoes 4. https://github.com/wasnotrice/shoes-qt

That is very cool! I had no idea.

 I added a link to Shoes-Qt, also linked to Choes (propaganda FTW).
And added links to the other projects.

Cheers

> --
> Davor Babic
> davor@davor.se
>
>
> ashbb wrote:
>> Hi Arne and folks,
>>
>> Thanks for adding a nice table in the shoes4/wiki on github. :)
>>
>> - Shoes 4 is intended to implement multi backends.
>> - Green Shoes depends on Ruby/GTK2
>> - Ruby/GTK3 is released as a gem recently.
>>
>> So, I hope to develop Shoes 4 with Ruby/GTK3 backend.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> ashbb
>>

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Arne Brasseur
Date:
2013-03-26 @ 08:31
Only now do I discover this http://blog.shoesrb.com/tagged/Rainbowshoes :D

On 25 March 2013 19:23, Arne Brasseur <arne.brasseur@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 25 March 2013 08:21, Davor Babic <davor@davor.se> wrote:
>> It might be a good idea to mention that work has already started on a Qt
>> backend for Shoes 4. https://github.com/wasnotrice/shoes-qt
>
> That is very cool! I had no idea.
>
>  I added a link to Shoes-Qt, also linked to Choes (propaganda FTW).
> And added links to the other projects.
>
> Cheers
>
>> --
>> Davor Babic
>> davor@davor.se
>>
>>
>> ashbb wrote:
>>> Hi Arne and folks,
>>>
>>> Thanks for adding a nice table in the shoes4/wiki on github. :)
>>>
>>> - Shoes 4 is intended to implement multi backends.
>>> - Green Shoes depends on Ruby/GTK2
>>> - Ruby/GTK3 is released as a gem recently.
>>>
>>> So, I hope to develop Shoes 4 with Ruby/GTK3 backend.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> ashbb
>>>

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Tobias Pfeiffer
Date:
2013-03-30 @ 12:02
And still one is missing, black shoes! 
https://github.com/wasnotrice/shoes-black

It's CoffeeScript and for the web, but that still counts :cool:

Thank you very much for making that list!

On Tue 26 Mar 2013 09:31:12 AM CET, Arne Brasseur wrote:
> Only now do I discover this http://blog.shoesrb.com/tagged/Rainbowshoes :D
>
> On 25 March 2013 19:23, Arne Brasseur <arne.brasseur@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 25 March 2013 08:21, Davor Babic <davor@davor.se> wrote:
>>> It might be a good idea to mention that work has already started on a Qt
>>> backend for Shoes 4. https://github.com/wasnotrice/shoes-qt
>>
>> That is very cool! I had no idea.
>>
>>   I added a link to Shoes-Qt, also linked to Choes (propaganda FTW).
>> And added links to the other projects.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>> --
>>> Davor Babic
>>> davor@davor.se
>>>
>>>
>>> ashbb wrote:
>>>> Hi Arne and folks,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for adding a nice table in the shoes4/wiki on github. :)
>>>>
>>>> - Shoes 4 is intended to implement multi backends.
>>>> - Green Shoes depends on Ruby/GTK2
>>>> - Ruby/GTK3 is released as a gem recently.
>>>>
>>>> So, I hope to develop Shoes 4 with Ruby/GTK3 backend.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> ashbb
>>>>

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
J. Kaiden
Date:
2013-03-24 @ 10:58
I'd also love to see green shoes continue... i've got a bit of experience
with gtk (and none with jruby/swt) so hopefully i could be more helpful
there...

-j

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Tobias Pfeiffer
Date:
2013-03-30 @ 12:04
Hey J :-)

JRuby is pretty simple, imo easy to pickup and a good tool to have at 
hand :-)
And easy SWT stuff is rather easy, although I feat that at one point I 
will really understand SWT and rewrite half of the SWT backend :-D

Cheers,
Tobi
On 03/24/2013 11:58 AM, J. Kaiden wrote:
>
> I'd also love to see green shoes continue... i've got a bit of 
> experience with gtk (and none with jruby/swt) so hopefully i could be 
> more helpful there...
>
> -j
>

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Arne Brasseur
Date:
2013-03-24 @ 15:14
I tried to integrate the comments here into the page, please see if
I'm not spitting nonsense :)

So from my understanding :

Shoes4 and Green Shoes are the only really "active" versions.

Red Shoes is still the most complete, but it will be phased out as
soon as Shoes4 is complete enough.

Apart from Red Shoes, Green Shoes is the most complete.

Blue/Purple/Brown/Orange are mostly interesting as inspiration for
when the time comes to add different backends to Shoes4.

Is that about right?

I also noticed that on the Red Shoes wiki, it says the "next upcoming
release" is 3.1 beta. Is there still a plan to make a 3.1, or will it
be straight to Shoes 4?

https://github.com/shoes/shoes/wiki

Thanks!
Arne

On 24 March 2013 11:58, J. Kaiden <jakekaiden@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd also love to see green shoes continue... i've got a bit of experience
> with gtk (and none with jruby/swt) so hopefully i could be more helpful
> there...
>
> -j

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2013-03-24 @ 15:21
A 'real' 3.1 release isn't going to happen for Red. We'll go straight to 4.

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Arne Brasseur
Date:
2013-03-24 @ 15:42
Ok, I thought so. Is it ok then if I change the Red Shoes wiki accordingly?

On 24 March 2013 16:21, Steve Klabnik <steve@steveklabnik.com> wrote:
> A 'real' 3.1 release isn't going to happen for Red. We'll go straight to 4.

Re: [shoes] List of Shoes Implementations

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2013-03-24 @ 20:00
Absolutely. Feel free to change anything on the wiki at any time.