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Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 03:07
Hi,
   I'm just learning about 'shoes' and very excited about it so far. Have 
been working thru various tutorials etc, and wanted to see how big a 
packaged app would be. Ran the packager - after entering the details and 
selecting my .rb file, windows and 'Yes, include shoes, but without video 
support' the 'working' screen came up - and stayed forever!
   I have 'googled' the problem - and see it is not new - I have tried the
various suggestions - downloaded a new version of pack.rb, overcome UTF8 
problems, tried putting a renamed copy of the shoes installation 
executable in a folder (no clear idea which folder is my LIB_DIR though) -
etc, etc etc.
    Have to agree with one person who posted on this subject - Shoes looks
great - but this will be a 'show-stopper' unless I can figure it out - or 
(please) someone can point me in the right direction. Please - any help 
much appreciated.

Regards,
Roger L

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Devyn Cairns
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 03:15
The issues with the packager are known, and it's one of the things being
worked on right now. They should be mostly fixed in the next release
(Policeman).

In the mean time, what platform are you on?

Could someone get him a build of HEAD, or at least the last known good
commit, if possible?

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Roger Lovelock <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> Hi,
>    I'm just learning about 'shoes' and very excited about it so far. Have
> been working thru various tutorials etc, and wanted to see how big a
> packaged app would be. Ran the packager - after entering the details and
> selecting my .rb file, windows and 'Yes, include shoes, but without video
> support' the 'working' screen came up - and stayed forever!
>    I have 'googled' the problem - and see it is not new - I have tried the
> various suggestions - downloaded a new version of pack.rb, overcome UTF8
> problems, tried putting a renamed copy of the shoes installation executable
> in a folder (no clear idea which folder is my LIB_DIR though) - etc, etc
> etc.
>     Have to agree with one person who posted on this subject - Shoes looks
> great - but this will be a 'show-stopper' unless I can figure it out - or
> (please) someone can point me in the right direction. Please - any help much
> appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Roger L
>



-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 22:18
Actually, I suspect that I am still not getting the shoes files over the 
internet ie there are still issues with links etc. The reason I say that 
is that I find I do have a copy of the install package on my system in a 
.shoes directory (under my user folder, rather than my user/documents 
folder) called latest_shoes-novideo.exe which I believe is what has been 
used by the packager in my successful packaging. As another test that all 
was OK I created a package for windows with the 'download shoes if it's 
absent' option - created a nice small (70k) exe file which I loaded onto 
another pc without shoes and then ran - it said 'downloading shoes, then 
setting up shoes, showed briefly a console screen and then terminated (all
within 2-3 secs). In actual fact nothing was downloaded and nothing 
installed and when rerunning the app the same procedure is repeated.
Sorry to be a pain with this, but either I am doing the wrong thing (in 
which case I want to learn the right way), or there is a problem that I 
can help isolate.
Roger


From: Roger Lovelock 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:18 PM
To: shoes@librelist.com 
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


Yes - I'd assume that you're correct re network issues. Thanks - I'll go 
ahead now with my app development.
Roger


From: i5m 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:08 PM
To: shoes@librelist.com 
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


Roger, 




On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roger Lovelock <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:

  Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is downloading 
latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packager then succeeds! It 
definitely didn't do this before. 


Bizarre! The console window really shouldn't affect the packager's 
success; and I doubt it did, perhaps some odd network issues were causing 
problems before? However, glad it is working now.
 
  The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb for a screen 
with just a para on it. Is the runtime currently larger than it needs to 
be? 


Since Shoes contains it's own build of Ruby, plus additional stuff, 6+Mb 
is pretty reasonable. Looking at my Ruby install directories they are 
about 5.5MB for the bin directory and another 9.5MB for the lib/ruby/1.9.1
directory
 
  If I was just producing .shy files what would be the minimal shoes 
installation required on a users pc?


They would just need to install Shoes themselves for whatever platform 
they are on, so again they would be looking at around a 6-7MB download.
  Â 


  From: i5m 
  Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
  To: shoes@librelist.com 
  Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


  Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these URLs for downloads 
(according to pack.rb. E.g: 


  http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes


  This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the actual file 
for download. You can inspect these here, for example. And as far as I can
tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls still work for latest_shoes.exe and 
lastest_shoes-novideo.exe


  So perhaps something else is up?


  Roger,


  does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you start the 
packager window, before you do anything else, press ALT+/ to open the 
console window. Then carry on packaging and see if it reports any errors, 
etc.

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 03:58
Roger,

  I just tried packaging a test script for windows (include Windows w/o
video), uploaded it to my site as (3.9MB, with video its 12MB(?!?)
http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll.exe and then downloaded it to
an XP box. Works just fine - the packaging, the websites, and the
script.

  I used Linux to package it but that shouldn't matter. By any chance do
you have proxy gateway that blocks access to sites. Or firewall settings
that don't allow downloaded applications to access the internet?

--Cecil



On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:18 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
> Actually, I suspect that I am still not getting the shoes files over
> the internet ie there are still issues with links etc. The reason I
> say that is that I find I do have a copy of the install package on my
> system in a .shoes directory (under my user folder, rather than my
> user/documents folder) called latest_shoes-novideo.exe which I believe
> is what has been used by the packager in my successful packaging. As
> another test that all was OK I created a package for windows with the
> 'download shoes if it's absent' option - created a nice small (70k)
> exe file which I loaded onto another pc without shoes and then ran -
> it said 'downloading shoes, then setting up shoes, showed briefly a
> console screen and then terminated (all within 2-3 secs). In actual
> fact nothing was downloaded and nothing installed and when rerunning
> the app the same procedure is repeated.
> Sorry to be a pain with this, but either I am doing the wrong thing
> (in which case I want to learn the right way), or there is a problem
> that I can help isolate.
> Roger
> 
> 
> From: Roger Lovelock 
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:18 PM
> To: shoes@librelist.com 
> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
> 
> 
> Yes - I'd assume that you're correct re network issues. Thanks - I'll
> go ahead now with my app development.
> Roger
> 
> 
> From: i5m 
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:08 PM
> To: shoes@librelist.com 
> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
> 
> 
> Roger, 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roger Lovelock
> <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
>         Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is downloading
>         latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packager then
>         succeeds! It definitely didn't do this before. 
> 
> 
> Bizarre! The console window really shouldn't affect the packager's
> success; and I doubt it did, perhaps some odd network issues were
> causing problems before? However, glad it is working now.
> Â 
>         The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb for a
>         screen with just a para on it. Is the runtime currently larger
>         than it needs to be? 
> 
> 
> Since Shoes contains it's own build of Ruby, plus additional stuff, 6
> +Mb is pretty reasonable. Looking at my Ruby install directories they
> are about 5.5MB for the bin directory and another 9.5MB for the
> lib/ruby/1.9.1 directory
> Â 
>         If I was just producing .shy files what would be the minimal
>         shoes installation required on a users pc?
> 
> 
> They would just need to install Shoes themselves for whatever platform
> they are on, so again they would be looking at around a 6-7MB
> download.
>         Â 
>         
>         
>         From: i5m 
>         Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
>         To: shoes@librelist.com 
>         Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>         
>         
>         Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these URLs for
>         downloads (according to pack.rb. E.g: 
>         
>         
>         http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes
>         
>         
>         This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the
>         actual file for download. You can inspect these here, for
>         example. And as far as I can tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls
>         still work for latest_shoes.exe and lastest_shoes-novideo.exe
>         
>         
>         So perhaps something else is up?
>         
>         
>         Roger,
>         
>         
>         does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you
>         start the packager window, before you do anything else, press
>         ALT+/ to open the console window. Then carry on packaging and
>         see if it reports any errors, etc.
>         
>         

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Devyn Cairns
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 04:02
He also had a problem with net-install packaging, could you test that?

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:

> Roger,
>
>  I just tried packaging a test script for windows (include Windows w/o
> video), uploaded it to my site as (3.9MB, with video its 12MB(?!?)
> http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll.exe and then downloaded it to
> an XP box. Works just fine - the packaging, the websites, and the
> script.
>
>  I used Linux to package it but that shouldn't matter. By any chance do
> you have proxy gateway that blocks access to sites. Or firewall settings
> that don't allow downloaded applications to access the internet?
>
> --Cecil
>
>
>
> On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:18 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
> > Actually, I suspect that I am still not getting the shoes files over
> > the internet ie there are still issues with links etc. The reason I
> > say that is that I find I do have a copy of the install package on my
> > system in a .shoes directory (under my user folder, rather than my
> > user/documents folder) called latest_shoes-novideo.exe which I believe
> > is what has been used by the packager in my successful packaging. As
> > another test that all was OK I created a package for windows with the
> > 'download shoes if it's absent' option - created a nice small (70k)
> > exe file which I loaded onto another pc without shoes and then ran -
> > it said 'downloading shoes, then setting up shoes, showed briefly a
> > console screen and then terminated (all within 2-3 secs). In actual
> > fact nothing was downloaded and nothing installed and when rerunning
> > the app the same procedure is repeated.
> > Sorry to be a pain with this, but either I am doing the wrong thing
> > (in which case I want to learn the right way), or there is a problem
> > that I can help isolate.
> > Roger
> >
> >
> > From: Roger Lovelock
> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:18 PM
> > To: shoes@librelist.com
> > Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
> >
> >
> > Yes - I'd assume that you're correct re network issues. Thanks - I'll
> > go ahead now with my app development.
> > Roger
> >
> >
> > From: i5m
> > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:08 PM
> > To: shoes@librelist.com
> > Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
> >
> >
> > Roger,
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roger Lovelock
> > <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >         Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is downloading
> >         latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packager then
> >         succeeds! It definitely didn't do this before.
> >
> >
> > Bizarre! The console window really shouldn't affect the packager's
> > success; and I doubt it did, perhaps some odd network issues were
> > causing problems before? However, glad it is working now.
> > Â
> >         The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb for a
> >         screen with just a para on it. Is the runtime currently larger
> >         than it needs to be?
> >
> >
> > Since Shoes contains it's own build of Ruby, plus additional stuff, 6
> > +Mb is pretty reasonable. Looking at my Ruby install directories they
> > are about 5.5MB for the bin directory and another 9.5MB for the
> > lib/ruby/1.9.1 directory
> > Â
> >         If I was just producing .shy files what would be the minimal
> >         shoes installation required on a users pc?
> >
> >
> > They would just need to install Shoes themselves for whatever platform
> > they are on, so again they would be looking at around a 6-7MB
> > download.
> >         Â
> >
> >
> >         From: i5m
> >         Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
> >         To: shoes@librelist.com
> >         Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
> >
> >
> >         Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these URLs for
> >         downloads (according to pack.rb. E.g:
> >
> >
> >         http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes
> >
> >
> >         This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the
> >         actual file for download. You can inspect these here, for
> >         example. And as far as I can tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls
> >         still work for latest_shoes.exe and lastest_shoes-novideo.exe
> >
> >
> >         So perhaps something else is up?
> >
> >
> >         Roger,
> >
> >
> >         does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you
> >         start the packager window, before you do anything else, press
> >         ALT+/ to open the console window. Then carry on packaging and
> >         see if it reports any errors, etc.
> >
> >
>
>
>


-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 04:16
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 21:02 -0700, Devyn Cairns wrote:
> He also had a problem with net-install packaging, could you test that?
> 
I could but Windows is busy (slowly) downloading 13 patches during
shutdown. Grrr.

> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net>
> wrote:
>         Roger,
>         
>          I just tried packaging a test script for windows (include
>         Windows w/o
>         video), uploaded it to my site as (3.9MB, with video its
>         12MB(?!?)
>         http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll.exe and then
>         downloaded it to
>         an XP box. Works just fine - the packaging, the websites, and
>         the
>         script.
>         
>          I used Linux to package it but that shouldn't matter. By any
>         chance do
>         you have proxy gateway that blocks access to sites. Or
>         firewall settings
>         that don't allow downloaded applications to access the
>         internet?
>         
>         --Cecil
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:18 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
>         > Actually, I suspect that I am still not getting the shoes
>         files over
>         > the internet ie there are still issues with links etc. The
>         reason I
>         > say that is that I find I do have a copy of the install
>         package on my
>         > system in a .shoes directory (under my user folder, rather
>         than my
>         > user/documents folder) called latest_shoes-novideo.exe which
>         I believe
>         > is what has been used by the packager in my successful
>         packaging. As
>         > another test that all was OK I created a package for windows
>         with the
>         > 'download shoes if it's absent' option - created a nice
>         small (70k)
>         > exe file which I loaded onto another pc without shoes and
>         then ran -
>         > it said 'downloading shoes, then setting up shoes, showed
>         briefly a
>         > console screen and then terminated (all within 2-3 secs). In
>         actual
>         > fact nothing was downloaded and nothing installed and when
>         rerunning
>         > the app the same procedure is repeated.
>         > Sorry to be a pain with this, but either I am doing the
>         wrong thing
>         > (in which case I want to learn the right way), or there is a
>         problem
>         > that I can help isolate.
>         > Roger
>         >
>         >
>         > From: Roger Lovelock
>         > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:18 PM
>         > To: shoes@librelist.com
>         > Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>         >
>         >
>         > Yes - I'd assume that you're correct re network issues.
>         Thanks - I'll
>         > go ahead now with my app development.
>         > Roger
>         >
>         >
>         > From: i5m
>         > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:08 PM
>         > To: shoes@librelist.com
>         > Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>         >
>         >
>         > Roger,
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roger Lovelock
>         > <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
>         >         Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is
>         downloading
>         >         latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packagerÂ
>         then
>         >         succeeds! It definitely didn't do this before.
>         >
>         >
>         > Bizarre! The console window really shouldn't affect the
>         packager's
>         > success; and I doubt it did, perhaps some odd network issues
>         were
>         > causing problems before? However, glad it is working now.
>         > Â
>         >         The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6
>         +Mb for a
>         >         screen with just a para on it. Is the runtime
>         currently larger
>         >         than it needs to be?
>         >
>         >
>         > Since Shoes contains it's own build of Ruby, plus additional
>         stuff, 6
>         > +Mb is pretty reasonable. Looking at my Ruby install
>         directories they
>         > are about 5.5MB for the bin directory and another 9.5MB for
>         the
>         > lib/ruby/1.9.1 directory
>         > Â
>         >         If I was just producing .shy files what would be the
>         minimal
>         >         shoes installation required on a users pc?
>         >
>         >
>         > They would just need to install Shoes themselves for
>         whatever platform
>         > they are on, so again they would be looking at around a
>         6-7MB
>         > download.
>         >         Â
>         >
>         >
>         >         From: i5m
>         >         Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
>         >         To: shoes@librelist.com
>         >         Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>         >
>         >
>         >         Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these
>         URLs for
>         >         downloads (according to pack.rb. E.g:
>         >
>         >
>         >         http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes
>         >
>         >
>         >         This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to
>         find the
>         >         actual file for download. You can inspect these
>         here, for
>         >         example. And as far as I can tell ashbb's
>         rin-shun.com urls
>         >         still work for latest_shoes.exe and
>         lastest_shoes-novideo.exe
>         >
>         >
>         >         So perhaps something else is up?
>         >
>         >
>         >         Roger,
>         >
>         >
>         >         does the Shoes console window tell you anything?
>         After you
>         >         start the packager window, before you do anything
>         else, press
>         >         ALT+/ to open the console window. Then carry on
>         packaging and
>         >         see if it reports any errors, etc.
>         >
>         >
>         
>         
>         
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>     ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 04:15
I connected in to your url from my own (vista) pc - downloaded app and it 
worked fine (as I already have shoes installed). Then tried from my other pc 
(xp without shoes) - it tried to download shoes yet again and failed. 
However, the shoes on my vista machine is Policeman - and from your file 
size I suspect that your app is developed under Raisin - could that be 
causing a problem? To the best of my knowledge I don't have any blocks or 
settings that would prevent the download - any quick way of double checking?
Roger

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 1:58 PM
To: <shoes@librelist.com>
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

> Roger,
>
>  I just tried packaging a test script for windows (include Windows w/o
> video), uploaded it to my site as (3.9MB, with video its 12MB(?!?)
> http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll.exe and then downloaded it to
> an XP box. Works just fine - the packaging, the websites, and the
> script.
>
>  I used Linux to package it but that shouldn't matter. By any chance do
> you have proxy gateway that blocks access to sites. Or firewall settings
> that don't allow downloaded applications to access the internet?
>
> --Cecil
>
>
>
> On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:18 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
>> Actually, I suspect that I am still not getting the shoes files over
>> the internet ie there are still issues with links etc. The reason I
>> say that is that I find I do have a copy of the install package on my
>> system in a .shoes directory (under my user folder, rather than my
>> user/documents folder) called latest_shoes-novideo.exe which I believe
>> is what has been used by the packager in my successful packaging. As
>> another test that all was OK I created a package for windows with the
>> 'download shoes if it's absent' option - created a nice small (70k)
>> exe file which I loaded onto another pc without shoes and then ran -
>> it said 'downloading shoes, then setting up shoes, showed briefly a
>> console screen and then terminated (all within 2-3 secs). In actual
>> fact nothing was downloaded and nothing installed and when rerunning
>> the app the same procedure is repeated.
>> Sorry to be a pain with this, but either I am doing the wrong thing
>> (in which case I want to learn the right way), or there is a problem
>> that I can help isolate.
>> Roger
>>
>>
>> From: Roger Lovelock
>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:18 PM
>> To: shoes@librelist.com
>> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>>
>>
>> Yes - I'd assume that you're correct re network issues. Thanks - I'll
>> go ahead now with my app development.
>> Roger
>>
>>
>> From: i5m
>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:08 PM
>> To: shoes@librelist.com
>> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>>
>>
>> Roger,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roger Lovelock
>> <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>         Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is downloading
>>         latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packager then
>>         succeeds! It definitely didn't do this before.
>>
>>
>> Bizarre! The console window really shouldn't affect the packager's
>> success; and I doubt it did, perhaps some odd network issues were
>> causing problems before? However, glad it is working now.
>> Â
>>         The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb for a
>>         screen with just a para on it. Is the runtime currently larger
>>         than it needs to be?
>>
>>
>> Since Shoes contains it's own build of Ruby, plus additional stuff, 6
>> +Mb is pretty reasonable. Looking at my Ruby install directories they
>> are about 5.5MB for the bin directory and another 9.5MB for the
>> lib/ruby/1.9.1 directory
>> Â
>>         If I was just producing .shy files what would be the minimal
>>         shoes installation required on a users pc?
>>
>>
>> They would just need to install Shoes themselves for whatever platform
>> they are on, so again they would be looking at around a 6-7MB
>> download.
>>         Â
>>
>>
>>         From: i5m
>>         Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
>>         To: shoes@librelist.com
>>         Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>>
>>
>>         Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these URLs for
>>         downloads (according to pack.rb. E.g:
>>
>>
>>         http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes
>>
>>
>>         This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the
>>         actual file for download. You can inspect these here, for
>>         example. And as far as I can tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls
>>         still work for latest_shoes.exe and lastest_shoes-novideo.exe
>>
>>
>>         So perhaps something else is up?
>>
>>
>>         Roger,
>>
>>
>>         does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you
>>         start the packager window, before you do anything else, press
>>         ALT+/ to open the console window. Then carry on packaging and
>>         see if it reports any errors, etc.
>>
>>
>
>
> 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 05:05
Nope. It was packaged with policeman and all the Windows stuff needed.
Your XP machine failed to download that from my site but your Vista
machine can? That might the clue we want. On XP (VirtualBox) I used
Firefox to download and I've turned the firewall off. Yes, that's not a
safe configuration but its only a VM that I only run if I have to. 

I packaged the same script (it downloads Shoes if needed) as
http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll-min.exe and on my XP. 
it didn't download because it found the existing Shoes (although I
deleleted the icons) , it just ran with a Shoes from somewhere. 

 I think Shoes is partially installed somewhere in your XP system. I
don't use Windows often but there once was a way to deinstall shoes and
any trace of it. Sending the previously downloaded Shoes apps into the
wastebasket, empty and reboot isn't good enough. Just tried it. I think
I had to search for shoes and remove it from there. 

So,
(1) is the download problem on XP some firewall setting, or the
browser's setting. 
(2) How to get rid of any trace of previous shoes downloads be they
fails or success. 

On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 14:15 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
> I connected in to your url from my own (vista) pc - downloaded app and it 
> worked fine (as I already have shoes installed). Then tried from my other pc 
> (xp without shoes) - it tried to download shoes yet again and failed. 
> However, the shoes on my vista machine is Policeman - and from your file 
> size I suspect that your app is developed under Raisin - could that be 
> causing a problem? To the best of my knowledge I don't have any blocks or 
> settings that would prevent the download - any quick way of double checking?
> Roger
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 1:58 PM
> To: <shoes@librelist.com>
> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
> 
> > Roger,
> >
> >  I just tried packaging a test script for windows (include Windows w/o
> > video), uploaded it to my site as (3.9MB, with video its 12MB(?!?)
> > http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll.exe and then downloaded it to
> > an XP box. Works just fine - the packaging, the websites, and the
> > script.
> >
> >  I used Linux to package it but that shouldn't matter. By any chance do
> > you have proxy gateway that blocks access to sites. Or firewall settings
> > that don't allow downloaded applications to access the internet?
> >
> > --Cecil
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:18 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
> >> Actually, I suspect that I am still not getting the shoes files over
> >> the internet ie there are still issues with links etc. The reason I
> >> say that is that I find I do have a copy of the install package on my
> >> system in a .shoes directory (under my user folder, rather than my
> >> user/documents folder) called latest_shoes-novideo.exe which I believe
> >> is what has been used by the packager in my successful packaging. As
> >> another test that all was OK I created a package for windows with the
> >> 'download shoes if it's absent' option - created a nice small (70k)
> >> exe file which I loaded onto another pc without shoes and then ran -
> >> it said 'downloading shoes, then setting up shoes, showed briefly a
> >> console screen and then terminated (all within 2-3 secs). In actual
> >> fact nothing was downloaded and nothing installed and when rerunning
> >> the app the same procedure is repeated.
> >> Sorry to be a pain with this, but either I am doing the wrong thing
> >> (in which case I want to learn the right way), or there is a problem
> >> that I can help isolate.
> >> Roger
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Roger Lovelock
> >> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:18 PM
> >> To: shoes@librelist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes - I'd assume that you're correct re network issues. Thanks - I'll
> >> go ahead now with my app development.
> >> Roger
> >>
> >>
> >> From: i5m
> >> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:08 PM
> >> To: shoes@librelist.com
> >> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
> >>
> >>
> >> Roger,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roger Lovelock
> >> <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>         Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is downloading
> >>         latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packager then
> >>         succeeds! It definitely didn't do this before.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bizarre! The console window really shouldn't affect the packager's
> >> success; and I doubt it did, perhaps some odd network issues were
> >> causing problems before? However, glad it is working now.
> >> Â
> >>         The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb for a
> >>         screen with just a para on it. Is the runtime currently larger
> >>         than it needs to be?
> >>
> >>
> >> Since Shoes contains it's own build of Ruby, plus additional stuff, 6
> >> +Mb is pretty reasonable. Looking at my Ruby install directories they
> >> are about 5.5MB for the bin directory and another 9.5MB for the
> >> lib/ruby/1.9.1 directory
> >> Â
> >>         If I was just producing .shy files what would be the minimal
> >>         shoes installation required on a users pc?
> >>
> >>
> >> They would just need to install Shoes themselves for whatever platform
> >> they are on, so again they would be looking at around a 6-7MB
> >> download.
> >>         Â
> >>
> >>
> >>         From: i5m
> >>         Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
> >>         To: shoes@librelist.com
> >>         Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
> >>
> >>
> >>         Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these URLs for
> >>         downloads (according to pack.rb. E.g:
> >>
> >>
> >>         http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes
> >>
> >>
> >>         This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the
> >>         actual file for download. You can inspect these here, for
> >>         example. And as far as I can tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls
> >>         still work for latest_shoes.exe and lastest_shoes-novideo.exe
> >>
> >>
> >>         So perhaps something else is up?
> >>
> >>
> >>         Roger,
> >>
> >>
> >>         does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you
> >>         start the packager window, before you do anything else, press
> >>         ALT+/ to open the console window. Then carry on packaging and
> >>         see if it reports any errors, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 05:37
I'll have a look around on the xp machine and see what I can find - nb vista 
machine did not need to download Shoes because it was already installed - xp 
(in theory) doesn't have Shoes (I have never installed it - only possibility 
might be a partial download from one the previous attempts).

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 3:05 PM
To: <shoes@librelist.com>
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

> Nope. It was packaged with policeman and all the Windows stuff needed.
> Your XP machine failed to download that from my site but your Vista
> machine can? That might the clue we want. On XP (VirtualBox) I used
> Firefox to download and I've turned the firewall off. Yes, that's not a
> safe configuration but its only a VM that I only run if I have to.
>
> I packaged the same script (it downloads Shoes if needed) as
> http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll-min.exe and on my XP.
> it didn't download because it found the existing Shoes (although I
> deleleted the icons) , it just ran with a Shoes from somewhere.
>
> I think Shoes is partially installed somewhere in your XP system. I
> don't use Windows often but there once was a way to deinstall shoes and
> any trace of it. Sending the previously downloaded Shoes apps into the
> wastebasket, empty and reboot isn't good enough. Just tried it. I think
> I had to search for shoes and remove it from there.
>
> So,
> (1) is the download problem on XP some firewall setting, or the
> browser's setting.
> (2) How to get rid of any trace of previous shoes downloads be they
> fails or success.
>
> On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 14:15 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
>> I connected in to your url from my own (vista) pc - downloaded app and it
>> worked fine (as I already have shoes installed). Then tried from my other 
>> pc
>> (xp without shoes) - it tried to download shoes yet again and failed.
>> However, the shoes on my vista machine is Policeman - and from your file
>> size I suspect that your app is developed under Raisin - could that be
>> causing a problem? To the best of my knowledge I don't have any blocks or
>> settings that would prevent the download - any quick way of double 
>> checking?
>> Roger
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 1:58 PM
>> To: <shoes@librelist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>>
>> > Roger,
>> >
>> >  I just tried packaging a test script for windows (include Windows w/o
>> > video), uploaded it to my site as (3.9MB, with video its 12MB(?!?)
>> > http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll.exe and then downloaded it to
>> > an XP box. Works just fine - the packaging, the websites, and the
>> > script.
>> >
>> >  I used Linux to package it but that shouldn't matter. By any chance do
>> > you have proxy gateway that blocks access to sites. Or firewall 
>> > settings
>> > that don't allow downloaded applications to access the internet?
>> >
>> > --Cecil
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:18 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
>> >> Actually, I suspect that I am still not getting the shoes files over
>> >> the internet ie there are still issues with links etc. The reason I
>> >> say that is that I find I do have a copy of the install package on my
>> >> system in a .shoes directory (under my user folder, rather than my
>> >> user/documents folder) called latest_shoes-novideo.exe which I believe
>> >> is what has been used by the packager in my successful packaging. As
>> >> another test that all was OK I created a package for windows with the
>> >> 'download shoes if it's absent' option - created a nice small (70k)
>> >> exe file which I loaded onto another pc without shoes and then ran -
>> >> it said 'downloading shoes, then setting up shoes, showed briefly a
>> >> console screen and then terminated (all within 2-3 secs). In actual
>> >> fact nothing was downloaded and nothing installed and when rerunning
>> >> the app the same procedure is repeated.
>> >> Sorry to be a pain with this, but either I am doing the wrong thing
>> >> (in which case I want to learn the right way), or there is a problem
>> >> that I can help isolate.
>> >> Roger
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Roger Lovelock
>> >> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:18 PM
>> >> To: shoes@librelist.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes - I'd assume that you're correct re network issues. Thanks - I'll
>> >> go ahead now with my app development.
>> >> Roger
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: i5m
>> >> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:08 PM
>> >> To: shoes@librelist.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Roger,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roger Lovelock
>> >> <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>         Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is downloading
>> >>         latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packager then
>> >>         succeeds! It definitely didn't do this before.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bizarre! The console window really shouldn't affect the packager's
>> >> success; and I doubt it did, perhaps some odd network issues were
>> >> causing problems before? However, glad it is working now.
>> >> Â
>> >>         The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb for a
>> >>         screen with just a para on it. Is the runtime currently larger
>> >>         than it needs to be?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Since Shoes contains it's own build of Ruby, plus additional stuff, 6
>> >> +Mb is pretty reasonable. Looking at my Ruby install directories they
>> >> are about 5.5MB for the bin directory and another 9.5MB for the
>> >> lib/ruby/1.9.1 directory
>> >> Â
>> >>         If I was just producing .shy files what would be the minimal
>> >>         shoes installation required on a users pc?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> They would just need to install Shoes themselves for whatever platform
>> >> they are on, so again they would be looking at around a 6-7MB
>> >> download.
>> >>         Â
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>         From: i5m
>> >>         Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
>> >>         To: shoes@librelist.com
>> >>         Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>         Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these URLs for
>> >>         downloads (according to pack.rb. E.g:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>         http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>         This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the
>> >>         actual file for download. You can inspect these here, for
>> >>         example. And as far as I can tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls
>> >>         still work for latest_shoes.exe and lastest_shoes-novideo.exe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>         So perhaps something else is up?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>         Roger,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>         does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you
>> >>         start the packager window, before you do anything else, press
>> >>         ALT+/ to open the console window. Then carry on packaging and
>> >>         see if it reports any errors, etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
> 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 06:24
I used The file search thingy in XP and deleted shoes from C:\Program
Files\Common File\Shoes. Had to reboot because Firefox or Windows cached
something somewhere and said the url wasn't good?!? WTF? Why is the
browser refusing to download something? Two, two errors in one! Or Three
or Four!

Downloaded the http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll-min.exe, the
one that is packaged for Download if needed. Save and run and I got a
Shoes setup screen (good) *AND* a lovely 16 Bit DOS Subsytem Message
"The NTDVM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction" Along with some
CS: and OP: hex that I'm way too lazy to transcribe here (and wouldn't
tell you anything useful.

16 bit Dos? I suspect the win stub has a problem. 

I then tried to download the previously OK script packaged up with all
the needed ruby/windows parts. It didn't download anything and it failed
with the DOS error.

On the good news front, I've recreated Roger's problem. On the downside,
I've recreated Roger's problem. I really hate Windows. I really, really,
really hate Windows - [no Cecil, don't rant, just go to your quiet spot]




Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 06:31
Sorry for causing the distraction - but at least it's not just me and an 
improved setup will result I'm sure!

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:24 PM
To: <shoes@librelist.com>
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

> I used The file search thingy in XP and deleted shoes from C:\Program
> Files\Common File\Shoes. Had to reboot because Firefox or Windows cached
> something somewhere and said the url wasn't good?!? WTF? Why is the
> browser refusing to download something? Two, two errors in one! Or Three
> or Four!
>
> Downloaded the http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll-min.exe, the
> one that is packaged for Download if needed. Save and run and I got a
> Shoes setup screen (good) *AND* a lovely 16 Bit DOS Subsytem Message
> "The NTDVM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction" Along with some
> CS: and OP: hex that I'm way too lazy to transcribe here (and wouldn't
> tell you anything useful.
>
> 16 bit Dos? I suspect the win stub has a problem.
>
> I then tried to download the previously OK script packaged up with all
> the needed ruby/windows parts. It didn't download anything and it failed
> with the DOS error.
>
> On the good news front, I've recreated Roger's problem. On the downside,
> I've recreated Roger's problem. I really hate Windows. I really, really,
> really hate Windows - [no Cecil, don't rant, just go to your quiet spot]
>
>
>
>
>
> 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 06:37
Absolutely, more bug reports are better than none. I'm sure a few other
people have had your issue, so it's good to fix it....

I wish there was a good way to test shoes :/

On Aug 6, 2010 11:31 PM, "Roger Lovelock" <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for causing the distraction - but at least it's not just me and an
> improved setup will result I'm sure!
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:24 PM
> To: <shoes@librelist.com>
> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>
>> I used The file search thingy in XP and deleted shoes from C:\Program
>> Files\Common File\Shoes. Had to reboot because Firefox or Windows cached
>> something somewhere and said the url wasn't good?!? WTF? Why is the
>> browser refusing to download something? Two, two errors in one! Or Three
>> or Four!
>>
>> Downloaded the http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll-min.exe, the
>> one that is packaged for Download if needed. Save and run and I got a
>> Shoes setup screen (good) *AND* a lovely 16 Bit DOS Subsytem Message
>> "The NTDVM CPU has encountered an illegal instruction" Along with some
>> CS: and OP: hex that I'm way too lazy to transcribe here (and wouldn't
>> tell you anything useful.
>>
>> 16 bit Dos? I suspect the win stub has a problem.
>>
>> I then tried to download the previously OK script packaged up with all
>> the needed ruby/windows parts. It didn't download anything and it failed
>> with the DOS error.
>>
>> On the good news front, I've recreated Roger's problem. On the downside,
>> I've recreated Roger's problem. I really hate Windows. I really, really,
>> really hate Windows - [no Cecil, don't rant, just go to your quiet spot]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 06:49
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 02:37 -0400, Steve Klabnik wrote:
> Absolutely, more bug reports are better than none. I'm sure a few
> other people have had your issue, so it's good to fix it....
> 
Not from me. I'm in my timeout spot and sulking.

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
ashbb
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 06:47
Hi all,

Thank you for the discussion.
You've pointed out a big issue of Policeman packager.
Sorry, I've not noticed this issue until now.

Policeman packager doesn't work with `No, download Shoes if it's absent.`
option. We have to replace the option to `No, install Shoes first by hand if
it's absent`. :-P

So, try to install Shoes first by hand, then execute the .exe file you
created with Policeman packager. I think it will work well.

We need some more time to fix this issue. Because...

- We don't know how to create `shoes/static/stubs/blank.exe` file so far.
This is a binary file embedded old url (hacketyhack.net)

I'd like to solve this issue in WalkAbout (Shoes 4).
I think we need to do binary patch or to find out another way without
blank.exe.

ashbb

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Devyn Cairns
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 22:12
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:47 PM, ashbb <ashbbb@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Thank you for the discussion.
> You've pointed out a big issue of Policeman packager.
> Sorry, I've not noticed this issue until now.
>
> Policeman packager doesn't work with `No, download Shoes if it's absent.`
> option. We have to replace the option to `No, install Shoes first by hand if
> it's absent`. :-P
>
> So, try to install Shoes first by hand, then execute the .exe file you
> created with Policeman packager. I think it will work well.
>
> We need some more time to fix this issue. Because...
>
> - We don't know how to create `shoes/static/stubs/blank.exe` file so far.
> This is a binary file embedded old url (hacketyhack.net)
>

It's in platform/msw/stub.c, etc.


>
> I'd like to solve this issue in WalkAbout (Shoes 4).
> I think we need to do binary patch or to find out another way without
> blank.exe.
>
> ashbb
>



-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 22:40
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 15:12 -0700, Devyn Cairns wrote:

> 
> It's in platform/msw/stub.c, etc.

But there's more!
the platform/mac/stub.m has several pointers to hacketyhack.net so that
will fail in the same conditions. (also  Info.plist). 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Devyn Cairns
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 22:51
The good news: it all looks fixable…

On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 15:12 -0700, Devyn Cairns wrote:
>
> >
> > It's in platform/msw/stub.c, etc.
>
> But there's more!
> the platform/mac/stub.m has several pointers to hacketyhack.net so that
> will fail in the same conditions. (also  Info.plist).
>
>
>


-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Devyn Cairns
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 22:52
OT: Hmm, are we going to break a record for longest thread on this mailing
list? 43 messages now…

-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
ashbb
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 23:09
Hi Cecil and Devyn,

Cecil wrote:
> I believe the source code for blank.exe is in the tree.

Devyn wrote:
> It's in platform/msw/stub.c, etc.
> platform/mac/stub.m has several pointers to hacketyhack.net

Thank you for the information. I've tried to do `rake stub` on Windows once
before, but no luck.

Because,
- Raisins was built with VC6 and Ruby 1.8.6.
  Policeman is built with MinGW and Ruby 1.9.1.
  (Before 0.r1313, it's possible to build Policeman with VC9, though.)

I know that network installing is great. So, I will try again. But give me
more time. ;-)

ashbb

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-08 @ 01:27
Do you have VC6 or VC9? If so, you could build just blank.exe (after
fixing the two strings pointing at hackety.net). Just a thought.

Is their some MSFT thing in the code that MING C compiler doesn't like? 

On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 08:09 +0900, ashbb wrote:
> Hi Cecil and Devyn,
> 
> Cecil wrote:
> > I believe the source code for blank.exe is in the tree.
> 
> Devyn wrote:
> > It's in platform/msw/stub.c, etc.
> > platform/mac/stub.m has several pointers to hacketyhack.net 
> 
> Thank you for the information. I've tried to do `rake stub` on Windows
> once before, but no luck. 
> 
> Because,
> - Raisins was built with VC6 and Ruby 1.8.6.
>   Policeman is built with MinGW and Ruby 1.9.1.
>   (Before 0.r1313, it's possible to build Policeman with VC9, though.)
> 
> I know that network installing is great. So, I will try again. But
> give me more time. ;-)
> 
> ashbb
>   

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Devyn Cairns
Date:
2010-08-09 @ 01:25
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:

> Do you have VC6 or VC9? If so, you could build just blank.exe (after
> fixing the two strings pointing at hackety.net). Just a thought.
>
> Is their some MSFT thing in the code that MING C compiler doesn't like?
>

I'm not exactly sure how binject works, but if we build it with MinGW, won't
the addresses/symbols the packager expects to inject into be different, due
to conventions between compilers? That might be another issue.


>
> On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 08:09 +0900, ashbb wrote:
> > Hi Cecil and Devyn,
> >
> > Cecil wrote:
> > > I believe the source code for blank.exe is in the tree.
> >
> > Devyn wrote:
> > > It's in platform/msw/stub.c, etc.
> > > platform/mac/stub.m has several pointers to hacketyhack.net
> >
> > Thank you for the information. I've tried to do `rake stub` on Windows
> > once before, but no luck.
> >
> > Because,
> > - Raisins was built with VC6 and Ruby 1.8.6.
> >   Policeman is built with MinGW and Ruby 1.9.1.
> >   (Before 0.r1313, it's possible to build Policeman with VC9, though.)
> >
> > I know that network installing is great. So, I will try again. But
> > give me more time. ;-)
> >
> > ashbb
> >
>
>
>


-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-09 @ 01:53
On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 18:25 -0700, Devyn Cairns wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net>
> wrote:
>         Do you have VC6 or VC9? If so, you could build just blank.exe
>         (after
>         fixing the two strings pointing at hackety.net). Just a
>         thought.
>         
>         Is their some MSFT thing in the code that MING C compiler
>         doesn't like?
> 
> 
> I'm not exactly sure how binject works, but if we build it with MinGW,
> won't the addresses/symbols the packager expects to inject into be
> different, due to conventions between compilers? That might be another
> issue.

Yeah, stub.c includes some  shoes .h files so presumably there will be
the need to drag in some MINW libraries (if they are used, which we
don't know yet). It was only a thought and a kludge.  I don't the issues
about why MINW can't compile it. 
>  
>         
>         
>         On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 08:09 +0900, ashbb wrote:
>         > Hi Cecil and Devyn,
>         >
>         > Cecil wrote:
>         > > I believe the source code for blank.exe is in the tree.
>         >
>         > Devyn wrote:
>         > > It's in platform/msw/stub.c, etc.
>         > > platform/mac/stub.m has several pointers to
>         hacketyhack.net
>         >
>         > Thank you for the information. I've tried to do `rake stub`
>         on Windows
>         > once before, but no luck.
>         >
>         > Because,
>         > - Raisins was built with VC6 and Ruby 1.8.6.
>         >   Policeman is built with MinGW and Ruby 1.9.1.
>         >   (Before 0.r1313, it's possible to build Policeman with
>         VC9, though.)
>         >
>         > I know that network installing is great. So, I will try
>         again. But
>         > give me more time. ;-)
>         >
>         > ashbb
>         >
>         
>         
>         
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>     ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Devyn Cairns
Date:
2010-08-09 @ 02:37
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 18:25 -0700, Devyn Cairns wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net>
> > wrote:
> >         Do you have VC6 or VC9? If so, you could build just blank.exe
> >         (after
> >         fixing the two strings pointing at hackety.net). Just a
> >         thought.
> >
> >         Is their some MSFT thing in the code that MING C compiler
> >         doesn't like?
> >
> >
> > I'm not exactly sure how binject works, but if we build it with MinGW,
> > won't the addresses/symbols the packager expects to inject into be
> > different, due to conventions between compilers? That might be another
> > issue.
>
> Yeah, stub.c includes some  shoes .h files so presumably there will be
> the need to drag in some MINW libraries (if they are used, which we
> don't know yet). It was only a thought and a kludge.  I don't the issues
> about why MINW can't compile it.
>

MinGW ;] (unless MING / MINW are actually what you meant to say, in that
case, feel free to correct me)

If Shoes compiles on MinGW, compiling stub.c with MinGW will just use the
Shoes libraries that were compiled with MinGW.


> >
> >
> >
> >         On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 08:09 +0900, ashbb wrote:
> >         > Hi Cecil and Devyn,
> >         >
> >         > Cecil wrote:
> >         > > I believe the source code for blank.exe is in the tree.
> >         >
> >         > Devyn wrote:
> >         > > It's in platform/msw/stub.c, etc.
> >         > > platform/mac/stub.m has several pointers to
> >         hacketyhack.net
> >         >
> >         > Thank you for the information. I've tried to do `rake stub`
> >         on Windows
> >         > once before, but no luck.
> >         >
> >         > Because,
> >         > - Raisins was built with VC6 and Ruby 1.8.6.
> >         >   Policeman is built with MinGW and Ruby 1.9.1.
> >         >   (Before 0.r1313, it's possible to build Policeman with
> >         VC9, though.)
> >         >
> >         > I know that network installing is great. So, I will try
> >         again. But
> >         > give me more time. ;-)
> >         >
> >         > ashbb
> >         >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >     ~devyn
>
>
>


-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-09 @ 03:38
> 
> 
> MinGW ;] (unless MING / MINW are actually what you meant to say, in
> that case, feel free to correct me)

It's a silent 'G'. 

More to the topic of the packager. There is also the same
hacketyhack.net problem issue in the linux static/stub/sh-install. It's
a minor edit but testing is a bit confusing because I can't test it
until there is a Linux Shoes at
http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/linux/shoes and
http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/linux/shoes-novideo 

It's doesn't have to be current/shoes linux but I can't test the
'install, download Shoes if needed' and my minor edit without something
being there. If the webmaster could copy the Raisins version to
'policeman' that would good enough. 
> 
> 
> If Shoes compiles on MinGW, compiling stub.c with MinGW will just use
> the Shoes libraries that were compiled with MinGW.
>  
>         
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         On Sun, 2010-08-08 at 08:09 +0900, ashbb wrote:
>         >         > Hi Cecil and Devyn,
>         >         >
>         >         > Cecil wrote:
>         >         > > I believe the source code for blank.exe is in
>         the tree.
>         >         >
>         >         > Devyn wrote:
>         >         > > It's in platform/msw/stub.c, etc.
>         >         > > platform/mac/stub.m has several pointers to
>         >         hacketyhack.net
>         >         >
>         >         > Thank you for the information. I've tried to do
>         `rake stub`
>         >         on Windows
>         >         > once before, but no luck.
>         >         >
>         >         > Because,
>         >         > - Raisins was built with VC6 and Ruby 1.8.6.
>         >         >   Policeman is built with MinGW and Ruby 1.9.1.
>         >         >   (Before 0.r1313, it's possible to build
>         Policeman with
>         >         VC9, though.)
>         >         >
>         >         > I know that network installing is great. So, I
>         will try
>         >         again. But
>         >         > give me more time. ;-)
>         >         >
>         >         > ashbb
>         >         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > --
>         >     ~devyn
>         
>         
>         
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
>     ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
ashbb
Date:
2010-08-12 @ 07:27
Hi Cecil,

> If the webmaster could copy the Raisins version to 'policeman'
> that would good enough.
I'm not webmaster, I can't update shoes-web/public/pkg/policeman/linux/shoes
contents.

So, I downloaded `shoes2.run` from: http://github.com/shoes/shoes/downloads
and renamed to `latest_shoes.run` and uploaded into (replaced with)
http://www.rin-shun.com/shoes/pkg/policeman/linux/latest_shoes.run

Now, can you test?

ashbb

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-12 @ 08:23
It didn't work for me. 

Packaging has two modes. 
(1) Include the shoes binaries. pack.rb downloads from
shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/... and an executable is created that has
enough Shoes to run the script at another machine. This mostly works and
the result is 3 to 12MB in size.

(2) Download Shoes if needed when executing the script (80Kb). In this
case, the other (random client) machine has to download shoes from the
location given in blank.exe, sh-install, or the OSX equivalent dmg. It's
not working for Windows, won't work for OSX until change their stubs
that point to to hacketyhack.net are modified and there is a executable
at shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policman. Which appears to actually be a
redirect that blank.exe, the stub dmg, and the stub linux may not beable
to handle even if they are pointed in the right place.


On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 16:27 +0900, ashbb wrote:
> Hi Cecil,
> 
> > If the webmaster could copy the Raisins version to 'policeman' 
> > that would good enough.
> I'm not webmaster, I can't update
> shoes-web/public/pkg/policeman/linux/shoes contents.
> 
> So, I downloaded `shoes2.run` from:
> http://github.com/shoes/shoes/downloads 
> and renamed to `latest_shoes.run` and uploaded into (replaced with)
> http://www.rin-shun.com/shoes/pkg/policeman/linux/latest_shoes.run
> 
> Now, can you test?
> 
> ashbb
> 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 08:17
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 15:47 +0900, ashbb wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Thank you for the discussion.
> You've pointed out a big issue of Policeman packager.
> Sorry, I've not noticed this issue until now.
> 
> Policeman packager doesn't work with `No, download Shoes if it's
> absent.` option. We have to replace the option to `No, install Shoes
> first by hand if it's absent`. :-P
> 
> So, try to install Shoes first by hand, then execute the .exe file you
> created with Policeman packager. I think it will work well.
> 
> We need some more time to fix this issue. Because...
> 
> - We don't know how to create `shoes/static/stubs/blank.exe` file so
> far. This is a binary file embedded old url (hacketyhack.net)
> 
> I'd like to solve this issue in WalkAbout (Shoes 4). 
> I think we need to do binary patch or to find out another way without
> blank.exe.

I believe the source code for blank.exe is in the tree. It just has to
compiled and of course the hacketyhack.net replaced with whatever is
correct. The dmg stub may have a similar problem. 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 07:22
Hi, I'll try as suggested tomorrow (just on my way out now) - and let you 
know how it goes. As a good "Aussie" I like the name of Shoes 4!

Roger


From: ashbb 
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:47 PM
To: shoes@librelist.com 
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


Hi all,

Thank you for the discussion.
You've pointed out a big issue of Policeman packager.
Sorry, I've not noticed this issue until now.

Policeman packager doesn't work with `No, download Shoes if it's absent.` 
option. We have to replace the option to `No, install Shoes first by hand 
if it's absent`. :-P

So, try to install Shoes first by hand, then execute the .exe file you 
created with Policeman packager. I think it will work well.

We need some more time to fix this issue. Because...

- We don't know how to create `shoes/static/stubs/blank.exe` file so far. 
This is a binary file embedded old url (hacketyhack.net)

I'd like to solve this issue in WalkAbout (Shoes 4). 
I think we need to do binary patch or to find out another way without blank.exe.

ashbb

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 21:29
Hi All,
   Exactly as expected - installed Policeman on my xp machine - then 
executed the link to the 'download if absent' app that didn't work without
shoes installed - and everything worked exactly as it should.
    So - we know where we are!
Just one comment - I personally feel that the 'No, download Shoes if it is
absent' functionality is really important in a software distribution 
scenario - and while one could live without it, it would be great to see 
it fixed.
    Anyway, onward!
Roger


From: Roger Lovelock 
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 5:22 PM
To: shoes@librelist.com 
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


Hi, I'll try as suggested tomorrow (just on my way out now) - and let you 
know how it goes. As a good "Aussie" I like the name of Shoes 4!

Roger


From: ashbb 
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 4:47 PM
To: shoes@librelist.com 
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


Hi all,

Thank you for the discussion.
You've pointed out a big issue of Policeman packager.
Sorry, I've not noticed this issue until now.

Policeman packager doesn't work with `No, download Shoes if it's absent.` 
option. We have to replace the option to `No, install Shoes first by hand 
if it's absent`. :-P

So, try to install Shoes first by hand, then execute the .exe file you 
created with Policeman packager. I think it will work well.

We need some more time to fix this issue. Because...

- We don't know how to create `shoes/static/stubs/blank.exe` file so far. 
This is a binary file embedded old url (hacketyhack.net)

I'd like to solve this issue in WalkAbout (Shoes 4). 
I think we need to do binary patch or to find out another way without blank.exe.

ashbb

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
ashbb
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 23:08
Hi Roger,

> installed Policeman on my xp machine ... (snip)
> ... and everything worked exactly as it should.
Good news! Thank you for taking the time to confirm. :)

> I personally feel that the 'No, download Shoes if it is
> absent' functionality is really important in a software
> distribution scenario - and while one could live without it,
> it would be great to see it fixed.
Yeah, totally agree. Let's try!

ashbb

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 04:17
By the way - going well elsewhere - I am connecting to my database and 
scrolling thru records etc on shoes screens I have put together.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 1:58 PM
To: <shoes@librelist.com>
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

> Roger,
>
>  I just tried packaging a test script for windows (include Windows w/o
> video), uploaded it to my site as (3.9MB, with video its 12MB(?!?)
> http://www.mvmanila.com/public/testscroll.exe and then downloaded it to
> an XP box. Works just fine - the packaging, the websites, and the
> script.
>
>  I used Linux to package it but that shouldn't matter. By any chance do
> you have proxy gateway that blocks access to sites. Or firewall settings
> that don't allow downloaded applications to access the internet?
>
> --Cecil
>
>
>
> On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 08:18 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
>> Actually, I suspect that I am still not getting the shoes files over
>> the internet ie there are still issues with links etc. The reason I
>> say that is that I find I do have a copy of the install package on my
>> system in a .shoes directory (under my user folder, rather than my
>> user/documents folder) called latest_shoes-novideo.exe which I believe
>> is what has been used by the packager in my successful packaging. As
>> another test that all was OK I created a package for windows with the
>> 'download shoes if it's absent' option - created a nice small (70k)
>> exe file which I loaded onto another pc without shoes and then ran -
>> it said 'downloading shoes, then setting up shoes, showed briefly a
>> console screen and then terminated (all within 2-3 secs). In actual
>> fact nothing was downloaded and nothing installed and when rerunning
>> the app the same procedure is repeated.
>> Sorry to be a pain with this, but either I am doing the wrong thing
>> (in which case I want to learn the right way), or there is a problem
>> that I can help isolate.
>> Roger
>>
>>
>> From: Roger Lovelock
>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:18 PM
>> To: shoes@librelist.com
>> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>>
>>
>> Yes - I'd assume that you're correct re network issues. Thanks - I'll
>> go ahead now with my app development.
>> Roger
>>
>>
>> From: i5m
>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:08 PM
>> To: shoes@librelist.com
>> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>>
>>
>> Roger,
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roger Lovelock
>> <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>         Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is downloading
>>         latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packager then
>>         succeeds! It definitely didn't do this before.
>>
>>
>> Bizarre! The console window really shouldn't affect the packager's
>> success; and I doubt it did, perhaps some odd network issues were
>> causing problems before? However, glad it is working now.
>> Â
>>         The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb for a
>>         screen with just a para on it. Is the runtime currently larger
>>         than it needs to be?
>>
>>
>> Since Shoes contains it's own build of Ruby, plus additional stuff, 6
>> +Mb is pretty reasonable. Looking at my Ruby install directories they
>> are about 5.5MB for the bin directory and another 9.5MB for the
>> lib/ruby/1.9.1 directory
>> Â
>>         If I was just producing .shy files what would be the minimal
>>         shoes installation required on a users pc?
>>
>>
>> They would just need to install Shoes themselves for whatever platform
>> they are on, so again they would be looking at around a 6-7MB
>> download.
>>         Â
>>
>>
>>         From: i5m
>>         Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
>>         To: shoes@librelist.com
>>         Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>>
>>
>>         Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these URLs for
>>         downloads (according to pack.rb. E.g:
>>
>>
>>         http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes
>>
>>
>>         This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the
>>         actual file for download. You can inspect these here, for
>>         example. And as far as I can tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls
>>         still work for latest_shoes.exe and lastest_shoes-novideo.exe
>>
>>
>>         So perhaps something else is up?
>>
>>
>>         Roger,
>>
>>
>>         does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you
>>         start the packager window, before you do anything else, press
>>         ALT+/ to open the console window. Then carry on packaging and
>>         see if it reports any errors, etc.
>>
>>
>
>
> 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Devyn Cairns
Date:
2010-08-07 @ 01:24
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Roger Lovelock <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com>wrote:

>  Actually, I suspect that I am still not getting the shoes files over the
> internet ie there are still issues with links etc. The reason I say that is
> that I find I do have a copy of the install package on my system in a .shoes
> directory (under my user folder, rather than my user/documents folder)
> called latest_shoes-novideo.exe which I believe is what has been used by the
> packager in my successful packaging.
>

Yes, that's right, it caches it. In case you don't know,
dot-files/dot-directories (i.e. .shoes/) are a common practice in UNIX-like
operating systems to mark files as hidden (often configuration-related).

We should probably do something about this, by the way—on Windows XP it was
okay, but on Vista the root user directory is more accessible, and
therefore, dot-files are more visible. We could set file attributes, or we
could move it to another location (Application Settings or Data or whatever
it is) that would be more appropriate on Windows.


> As another test that all was OK I created a package for windows with the
> 'download shoes if it's absent' option - created a nice small (70k) exe file
> which I loaded onto another pc without shoes and then ran - it said
> 'downloading shoes, then setting up shoes, showed briefly a console screen
> and then terminated (all within 2-3 secs). In actual fact nothing was
> downloaded and nothing installed and when rerunning the app the same
> procedure is repeated.
>

I'm afraid I can't help you with this part, but ashbb might be able to.


> Sorry to be a pain with this, but either I am doing the wrong thing (in
> which case I want to learn the right way), or there is a problem that I can
> help isolate.
>

That's okay, you're doing the right thing.


> Roger
>
>  *From:* Roger Lovelock <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 6:18 PM
> *To:* shoes@librelist.com
> *Subject:* Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>
> Yes - I'd assume that you're correct re network issues. Thanks - I'll go
> ahead now with my app development.
> Roger
>
>  *From:* i5m <i5ivem@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 6:08 PM
> *To:* shoes@librelist.com
> *Subject:* Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>
> Roger,
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roger Lovelock <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is downloading
>> latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packager then succeeds! It
>> definitely didn't do this before.
>>
>
> Bizarre! The console window really shouldn't affect the packager's success;
> and I doubt it did, perhaps some odd network issues were causing problems
> before? However, glad it is working now.
> Â
>
>>  The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb for a screen
>> with just a para on it. Is the runtime currently larger than it needs to be?
>>
>>
>
> Since Shoes contains it's own build of Ruby, plus additional stuff, 6+Mb is
> pretty reasonable. Looking at my Ruby install directories they are about
> 5.5MB for the bin directory and another 9.5MB for the lib/ruby/1.9.1
> directory
> Â
>
>>  If I was just producing .shy files what would be the minimal shoes
>> installation required on a users pc?
>>
>
> They would just need to install Shoes themselves for whatever platform they
> are on, so again they would be looking at around a 6-7MB download.
>
>>  Â
>>
>>  *From:* i5m <i5ivem@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
>>  *To:* shoes@librelist.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>>
>> Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these 
URLs<http://github.com/shoes/shoes/blob/master/lib/shoes/pack.rb#L33-L37>for
downloads (according to pack.rb. E.g:
>>
>> http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes
>>
>> This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the actual file for
>> download. You can inspect these h 
<http://goog_1272468961>ere<http://github.com/devyn/shoes-web/blob/master/public/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes>,
>> for example. And as far as I can tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls still
>> work for latest_shoes.exe and lastest_shoes-novideo.exe
>>
>> So perhaps something else is up?
>>
>> Roger,
>>
>> does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you start the
>> packager window, before you do anything else, press ALT+/ to open the
>> console window. Then carry on packaging and see if it reports any errors,
>> etc.
>>
>>


-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 03:24
Thanks for the quick response - I am on Vista Home Premium - latest Shoes 
download - no video. Just used a simple script for the test - welcome.rb

Shoes.app do
   para "Welcome to Shoes"
end

Should I download and install Policeman (ie latest release on the website)

Thanks again,

Roger L


From: Devyn Cairns 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:15 PM
To: shoes@librelist.com 
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


The issues with the packager are known, and it's one of the things being 
worked on right now. They should be mostly fixed in the next release 
(Policeman). 


In the mean time, what platform are you on?


Could someone get him a build of HEAD, or at least the last known good 
commit, if possible?


On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Roger Lovelock <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:

  Â 
  Hi,
  Â Â  I'm just learning about 'shoes' and very excited about it so far. 
Have been working thru various tutorials etc, and wanted to see how big a 
packaged app would be. Ran the packager - after entering the details and 
selecting my .rb file, windows and 'Yes, include shoes, but without video 
support' the 'working' screen came up - and stayed forever!
  Â Â  I have 'googled' the problem - and see it is not new - I have tried
the various suggestions - downloaded a new version of pack.rb, overcome 
UTF8 problems, tried putting a renamed copy of the shoes installation 
executable in a folder (no clear idea which folder is my LIB_DIR though) -
etc, etc etc.
  Â Â Â  Have to agree with one person who posted on this subject - Shoes 
looks great - but this will be a 'show-stopper' unless I can figure it out
- or (please) someone can point me in the right direction. Please - any 
help much appreciated.
  Â 
  Regards,
  Roger L



-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 03:39
I think Policeman may work better for you. but you may still have
problems with packaging until the official Policeman release (in a week
or two -- we swear it)

When I package with 'include windows-novideo' the exe is almost 4MB.
Without including windows, it's around 80KB.

--Cecil
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 13:24 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
> Thanks for the quick response - I am on Vista Home Premium - latest
> Shoes download - no video. Just used a simple script for the test -
> welcome.rb
>  
> Shoes.app do
>    para "Welcome to Shoes"
> end
>  
> Should I download and install Policeman (ie latest release on the
> website)
>  
> Thanks again,
>  
> Roger L
> 
> 
> From: Devyn Cairns 
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:15 PM
> To: shoes@librelist.com 
> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
> 
> 
> The issues with the packager are known, and it's one of the things
> being worked on right now. They should be mostly fixed in the next
> release (Policeman). 
> 
> 
> In the mean time, what platform are you on?
> 
> 
> Could someone get him a build of HEAD, or at least the last known good
> commit, if possible?
> 
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Roger Lovelock
> <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
>         Â 
>         Hi,
>         Â Â  I'm just learning about 'shoes' and very excited about it
>         so far. Have been working thru various tutorials etc, and
>         wanted to see how big a packaged app would be. Ran the
>         packager - after entering the details and selecting my .rb
>         file, windows and 'Yes, include shoes, but without video
>         support' the 'working' screen came up - and stayed forever!
>         Â Â  I have 'googled' the problem - and see it is not new - I
>         have tried the various suggestions - downloaded a new version
>         of pack.rb, overcome UTF8 problems, tried putting a renamed
>         copy of the shoes installation executable in a folder (no
>         clear idea which folder is my LIB_DIR though) - etc, etc etc.
>         Â Â Â  Have to agree with one person who posted on this
>         subject - Shoes looks great - but this will be a
>         'show-stopper' unless I can figure it out - or (please)
>         someone can point me in the right direction. Please - any help
>         much appreciated.
>         Â 
>         Regards,
>         Roger L
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Â  Â  ~devyn
> 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 03:52
Thanks everyone for your responses - it shows that Shoes has a solid base of 
concerned support which is absolutely essential for a project like this.
Roger L

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:39 PM
To: <shoes@librelist.com>
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

> I think Policeman may work better for you. but you may still have
> problems with packaging until the official Policeman release (in a week
> or two -- we swear it)
>
> When I package with 'include windows-novideo' the exe is almost 4MB.
> Without including windows, it's around 80KB.
>
> --Cecil
> On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 13:24 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
>> Thanks for the quick response - I am on Vista Home Premium - latest
>> Shoes download - no video. Just used a simple script for the test -
>> welcome.rb
>>
>> Shoes.app do
>>    para "Welcome to Shoes"
>> end
>>
>> Should I download and install Policeman (ie latest release on the
>> website)
>>
>> Thanks again,
>>
>> Roger L
>>
>>
>> From: Devyn Cairns
>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:15 PM
>> To: shoes@librelist.com
>> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>>
>>
>> The issues with the packager are known, and it's one of the things
>> being worked on right now. They should be mostly fixed in the next
>> release (Policeman).
>>
>>
>> In the mean time, what platform are you on?
>>
>>
>> Could someone get him a build of HEAD, or at least the last known good
>> commit, if possible?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Roger Lovelock
>> <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>         Â
>>         Hi,
>>         Â Â  I'm just learning about 'shoes' and very excited about it
>>         so far. Have been working thru various tutorials etc, and
>>         wanted to see how big a packaged app would be. Ran the
>>         packager - after entering the details and selecting my .rb
>>         file, windows and 'Yes, include shoes, but without video
>>         support' the 'working' screen came up - and stayed forever!
>>         Â Â  I have 'googled' the problem - and see it is not new - I
>>         have tried the various suggestions - downloaded a new version
>>         of pack.rb, overcome UTF8 problems, tried putting a renamed
>>         copy of the shoes installation executable in a folder (no
>>         clear idea which folder is my LIB_DIR though) - etc, etc etc.
>>         Â Â Â  Have to agree with one person who posted on this
>>         subject - Shoes looks great - but this will be a
>>         'show-stopper' unless I can figure it out - or (please)
>>         someone can point me in the right direction. Please - any help
>>         much appreciated.
>>         Â
>>         Regards,
>>         Roger L
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Â  Â  ~devyn
>>
>
>
> 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Devyn Cairns
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 03:36
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Roger Lovelock <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com>wrote:

>  Thanks for the quick response - I am on Vista Home Premium - latest Shoes
> download - no video. Just used a simple script for the test - welcome.rb
>
> Shoes.app do
>    para "Welcome to Shoes"
> end
>
> Should I download and install Policeman (ie latest release on the website)
>

http://www.rin-shun.com/shoes/

Pick one of the downloads under "Shoes mingw32"

[Builds contributed by ashbb]


>
> Thanks again,
>
> Roger L
>
>  *From:* Devyn Cairns <devyn.cairns@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 1:15 PM
> *To:* shoes@librelist.com
> *Subject:* Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>
> The issues with the packager are known, and it's one of the things being
> worked on right now. They should be mostly fixed in the next release
> (Policeman).
>
> In the mean time, what platform are you on?
>
> Could someone get him a build of HEAD, or at least the last known good
> commit, if possible?
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Roger Lovelock <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>  Â
>> Hi,
>> Â Â  I'm just learning about 'shoes' and very excited about it so far.
>> Have been working thru various tutorials etc, and wanted to see how big a
>> packaged app would be. Ran the packager - after entering the details and
>> selecting my .rb file, windows and 'Yes, include shoes, but without video
>> support' the 'working' screen came up - and stayed forever!
>> Â Â  I have 'googled' the problem - and see it is not new - I have tried
>> the various suggestions - downloaded a new version of pack.rb, overcome UTF8
>> problems, tried putting a renamed copy of the shoes installation executable
>> in a folder (no clear idea which folder is my LIB_DIR though) - etc, etc
>> etc.
>> Â Â Â  Have to agree with one person who posted on this subject - Shoes
>> looks great - but this will be a 'show-stopper' unless I can figure it out -
>> or (please) someone can point me in the right direction. Please - any help
>> much appreciated.
>> Â
>> Regards,
>> Roger L
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Â  Â  ~devyn
>



-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 03:50
Thanks - I downloaded the no video version from "Shoes mingw 32"  and 
installed it. Got identical results to previously. Tried again as 
administrator - no change. Can I suggest someone tries a fresh install on 
a 'clean machine' and duplicates my situation.
Regards
Roger L


From: Devyn Cairns 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:36 PM
To: shoes@librelist.com 
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager





On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Roger Lovelock <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:

  Thanks for the quick response - I am on Vista Home Premium - latest 
Shoes download - no video. Just used a simple script for the test - 
welcome.rb

  Shoes.app do
     para "Welcome to Shoes"
  end

  Should I download and install Policeman (ie latest release on the website)


http://www.rin-shun.com/shoes/


Pick one of the downloads under "Shoes mingw32"


[Builds contributed by ashbb]


  Thanks again,

  Roger L


  From: Devyn Cairns 
  Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:15 PM
  To: shoes@librelist.com 
  Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


  The issues with the packager are known, and it's one of the things being
worked on right now. They should be mostly fixed in the next release 
(Policeman). 


  In the mean time, what platform are you on?


  Could someone get him a build of HEAD, or at least the last known good 
commit, if possible?


  On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Roger Lovelock 
<rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Â 
    Hi,
    Â Â  I'm just learning about 'shoes' and very excited about it so far.
Have been working thru various tutorials etc, and wanted to see how big a 
packaged app would be. Ran the packager - after entering the details and 
selecting my .rb file, windows and 'Yes, include shoes, but without video 
support' the 'working' screen came up - and stayed forever!
    Â Â  I have 'googled' the problem - and see it is not new - I have 
tried the various suggestions - downloaded a new version of pack.rb, 
overcome UTF8 problems, tried putting a renamed copy of the shoes 
installation executable in a folder (no clear idea which folder is my 
LIB_DIR though) - etc, etc etc.
    Â Â Â  Have to agree with one person who posted on this subject - 
Shoes looks great - but this will be a 'show-stopper' unless I can figure 
it out - or (please) someone can point me in the right direction. Please -
any help much appreciated.
    Â 
    Regards,
    Roger L



  -- 
  Â  Â  ~devyn




-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 04:55
It looks like something has changed at 
 http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe which is what 
policeman packager
wants. It used to do a http redirect to 
http://www.rin-shun.com/shoes/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe

but alas, no more. There is an exe at the rin-shun.com url. The redirect 
at heroku.com seems 
to have gone went walkabout.

One more thing for the webmaster(s) to figure out. 

Thanks for sticking with us Roger. 

On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 13:50 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
> Thanks - I downloaded the no video version from "Shoes mingw 32"  and
> installed it. Got identical results to previously. Tried again as
> administrator - no change. Can I suggest someone tries a fresh install
> on a 'clean machine' and duplicates my situation.
> Regards
> Roger L
> 
> 


Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
i5m
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 07:31
Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these
URLs<http://github.com/shoes/shoes/blob/master/lib/shoes/pack.rb#L33-L37>for
downloads (according to pack.rb. E.g:

http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes

This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the actual file for
download. You can inspect these h

<goog_1272468961>ere<http://github.com/devyn/shoes-web/blob/master/public/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes>,
for example. And as far as I can tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls still work
for latest_shoes.exe and lastest_shoes-novideo.exe

So perhaps something else is up?

Roger,

does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you start the
packager window, before you do anything else, press ALT+/ to open the
console window. Then carry on packaging and see if it reports any errors,
etc.

-----------------------
i5m.co.uk
GPG Key: 0xA18A602B


On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:

> It looks like something has changed at
>  http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe which is what
> policeman packager
> wants. It used to do a http redirect to
> http://www.rin-shun.com/shoes/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe
>
> but alas, no more. There is an exe at the rin-shun.com url. The redirect
> at heroku.com seems
> to have gone went walkabout.
>
> One more thing for the webmaster(s) to figure out.
>
>

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 07:46
Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is downloading 
latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packager then succeeds! It 
definitely didn't do this before. The created exe works fine - but is a 
bit large at 6+Mb for a screen with just a para on it. Is the runtime 
currently larger than it needs to be? If I was just producing .shy files 
what would be the minimal shoes installation required on a users pc?



From: i5m 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
To: shoes@librelist.com 
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these URLs for downloads 
(according to pack.rb. E.g: 


http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes


This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the actual file for 
download. You can inspect these here, for example. And as far as I can 
tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls still work for latest_shoes.exe and 
lastest_shoes-novideo.exe


So perhaps something else is up?


Roger,


does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you start the 
packager window, before you do anything else, press ALT+/ to open the 
console window. Then carry on packaging and see if it reports any errors, 
etc.

-----------------------
i5m.co.uk
GPG Key: 0xA18A602B



On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Cecil Coupe <ccoupe@cableone.net> wrote:

  It looks like something has changed at
  Â http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe which is what 
policeman packager
  wants. It used to do a http redirect to
  http://www.rin-shun.com/shoes/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe

  but alas, no more. There is an exe at the rin-shun.com url. The redirect
at heroku.com seems
  to have gone went walkabout.

  One more thing for the webmaster(s) to figure out.

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
i5m
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 08:08
Roger,


On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roger Lovelock <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com>wrote:

>  Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is downloading
> latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packager then succeeds! It definitely
> didn't do this before.
>

Bizarre! The console window really shouldn't affect the packager's success;
and I doubt it did, perhaps some odd network issues were causing problems
before? However, glad it is working now.


> The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb for a screen with
> just a para on it. Is the runtime currently larger than it needs to be?
>

Since Shoes contains it's own build of Ruby, plus additional stuff, 6+Mb is
pretty reasonable. Looking at my Ruby install directories they are about
5.5MB for the bin directory and another 9.5MB for the lib/ruby/1.9.1
directory


> If I was just producing .shy files what would be the minimal shoes
> installation required on a users pc?
>

They would just need to install Shoes themselves for whatever platform they
are on, so again they would be looking at around a 6-7MB download.

>
>
>  *From:* i5m <i5ivem@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
> *To:* shoes@librelist.com
> *Subject:* Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>
> Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these 
URLs<http://github.com/shoes/shoes/blob/master/lib/shoes/pack.rb#L33-L37>for
downloads (according to pack.rb. E.g:
>
> http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes
>
> This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the actual file for
> download. You can inspect these h 
<http://goog_1272468961>ere<http://github.com/devyn/shoes-web/blob/master/public/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes>,
> for example. And as far as I can tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls still work
> for latest_shoes.exe and lastest_shoes-novideo.exe
>
> So perhaps something else is up?
>
> Roger,
>
> does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you start the
> packager window, before you do anything else, press ALT+/ to open the
> console window. Then carry on packaging and see if it reports any errors,
> etc.
>
>

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 08:18
Yes - I'd assume that you're correct re network issues. Thanks - I'll go 
ahead now with my app development.
Roger


From: i5m 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 6:08 PM
To: shoes@librelist.com 
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


Roger, 




On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:46 AM, Roger Lovelock <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:

  Yes - I get four debug messages saying it is downloading 
latest_shoes-novideo.exe etc etc - the packager then succeeds! It 
definitely didn't do this before. 


Bizarre! The console window really shouldn't affect the packager's 
success; and I doubt it did, perhaps some odd network issues were causing 
problems before? However, glad it is working now.
 
  The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb for a screen 
with just a para on it. Is the runtime currently larger than it needs to 
be? 


Since Shoes contains it's own build of Ruby, plus additional stuff, 6+Mb 
is pretty reasonable. Looking at my Ruby install directories they are 
about 5.5MB for the bin directory and another 9.5MB for the lib/ruby/1.9.1
directory
 
  If I was just producing .shy files what would be the minimal shoes 
installation required on a users pc?


They would just need to install Shoes themselves for whatever platform 
they are on, so again they would be looking at around a 6-7MB download.
  Â 


  From: i5m 
  Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 5:31 PM
  To: shoes@librelist.com 
  Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


  Regarding the URLs, Shoes should be looking at these URLs for downloads 
(according to pack.rb. E.g: 


  http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes


  This itself is just a pointer that Shoes uses to find the actual file 
for download. You can inspect these here, for example. And as far as I can
tell ashbb's rin-shun.com urls still work for latest_shoes.exe and 
lastest_shoes-novideo.exe


  So perhaps something else is up?


  Roger,


  does the Shoes console window tell you anything? After you start the 
packager window, before you do anything else, press ALT+/ to open the 
console window. Then carry on packaging and see if it reports any errors, 
etc.

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
ashbb
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 15:18
Hi Roger,

I was too late, though. :)

> The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb
> for a screen with just a para on it.
Ohhh, you found a bug!
Actually, Shoes doesn't calculate real file size, just use constant numbers.
So, I forgot to edit the numbers. :-P

Look at the code (shoes/pack.rb line 327-329):
http://github.com/ashbb/shoes/blob/master/lib/shoes/pack.rb#L327

I'll correct them at Shoes 3 release. ;-)

Thanks a lot,
ashbb

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Devyn Cairns
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 19:34
I'm sorry, guys, that I wasn't around to fix any web issues—but it looks
like you handled that just fine all on your own.

I do believe I entrusted some people on this list with direct access to the
website repository, and even more people with access to the CMS… so if you'd
like access, just tell me, and I'll do whatever I can to set you up with it.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:18 AM, ashbb <ashbbb@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Roger,
>
> I was too late, though. :)
>
>
> > The created exe works fine - but is a bit large at 6+Mb
> > for a screen with just a para on it.
> Ohhh, you found a bug!
> Actually, Shoes doesn't calculate real file size, just use constant
> numbers. So, I forgot to edit the numbers. :-P
>

Yes, I remember this, it's just an estimation.


>
> Look at the code (shoes/pack.rb line 327-329):
> http://github.com/ashbb/shoes/blob/master/lib/shoes/pack.rb#L327
>
> I'll correct them at Shoes 3 release. ;-)
>
> Thanks a lot,
> ashbb
>
>


-- 
    ~devyn

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 05:04
Thanks for the follow through - can I proceed with packaging now - or do I 
need to wait for these http redirects to be fixed. I can go ahead with my 
general investigations of Shoes and defer looking at packaging 'til later if 
necessary. I guess the ideal situation might be if I have a local copy which 
the packager can use for creating the 'package'.
Roger L

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:55 PM
To: <shoes@librelist.com>
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

> It looks like something has changed at
> http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe which is what 
> policeman packager
> wants. It used to do a http redirect to
> http://www.rin-shun.com/shoes/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe
>
> but alas, no more. There is an exe at the rin-shun.com url. The redirect 
> at heroku.com seems
> to have gone went walkabout.
>
> One more thing for the webmaster(s) to figure out.
>
> Thanks for sticking with us Roger.
>
> On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 13:50 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
>> Thanks - I downloaded the no video version from "Shoes mingw 32"  and
>> installed it. Got identical results to previously. Tried again as
>> administrator - no change. Can I suggest someone tries a fresh install
>> on a 'clean machine' and duplicates my situation.
>> Regards
>> Roger L
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 05:04
Thanks for the follow through - can I proceed with packaging now - or do I 
need to wait for these http redirects to be fixed. I can go ahead with my 
general investigations of Shoes and defer looking at packaging 'til later if 
necessary. I guess the ideal situation might be if I have a local copy which 
the packager can use for creating the 'package'.
Roger L

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:55 PM
To: <shoes@librelist.com>
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

> It looks like something has changed at
> http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe which is what 
> policeman packager
> wants. It used to do a http redirect to
> http://www.rin-shun.com/shoes/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe
>
> but alas, no more. There is an exe at the rin-shun.com url. The redirect 
> at heroku.com seems
> to have gone went walkabout.
>
> One more thing for the webmaster(s) to figure out.
>
> Thanks for sticking with us Roger.
>
> On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 13:50 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
>> Thanks - I downloaded the no video version from "Shoes mingw 32"  and
>> installed it. Got identical results to previously. Tried again as
>> administrator - no change. Can I suggest someone tries a fresh install
>> on a 'clean machine' and duplicates my situation.
>> Regards
>> Roger L
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Cecil Coupe
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 05:47
No, packaging is still broken until the website redirects get fixed. I
can't speak for the Webmaster but It shouldn't take him more than a day
or two to figure out what's wrong.

Unless you want to modify Ruby code and build from source you can't
create your own personal version of what packager wants. You'd need a
local http server and configure it. It could be done, but it would be
hardcore fricking Madness unless you already know how to it. By the time
you do that and if you don't screw up yours windows machine by trying,
we'll have it sorted out. Just not tonight. 

Plenty of time to learn Shoes and have fun with it before you develop a
killer Shoes scripts to distribute (.shy files should work fine just if
you only want to distribute a script without the exe/dmg/run overhead)

--Cecil


On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 15:04 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
> Thanks for the follow through - can I proceed with packaging now - or do I 
> need to wait for these http redirects to be fixed. I can go ahead with my 
> general investigations of Shoes and defer looking at packaging 'til later if 
> necessary. I guess the ideal situation might be if I have a local copy which 
> the packager can use for creating the 'package'.
> Roger L
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:55 PM
> To: <shoes@librelist.com>
> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
> 
> > It looks like something has changed at
> > http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe which is what 
> > policeman packager
> > wants. It used to do a http redirect to
> > http://www.rin-shun.com/shoes/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe
> >
> > but alas, no more. There is an exe at the rin-shun.com url. The redirect 
> > at heroku.com seems
> > to have gone went walkabout.
> >
> > One more thing for the webmaster(s) to figure out.
> >
> > Thanks for sticking with us Roger.
> >
> > On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 13:50 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
> >> Thanks - I downloaded the no video version from "Shoes mingw 32"  and
> >> installed it. Got identical results to previously. Tried again as
> >> administrator - no change. Can I suggest someone tries a fresh install
> >> on a 'clean machine' and duplicates my situation.
> >> Regards
> >> Roger L
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 05:54
Thanks - not a problem - I'm an app developer, not into the internals of 
things like Shoes  - I'll stay in learning mode for now! Once I've got my 
head around the basics I plan to interface to some sqlite databases I have 
and put together some basic CRUD functionality.
Roger

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:47 PM
To: <shoes@librelist.com>
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

> No, packaging is still broken until the website redirects get fixed. I
> can't speak for the Webmaster but It shouldn't take him more than a day
> or two to figure out what's wrong.
>
> Unless you want to modify Ruby code and build from source you can't
> create your own personal version of what packager wants. You'd need a
> local http server and configure it. It could be done, but it would be
> hardcore fricking Madness unless you already know how to it. By the time
> you do that and if you don't screw up yours windows machine by trying,
> we'll have it sorted out. Just not tonight.
>
> Plenty of time to learn Shoes and have fun with it before you develop a
> killer Shoes scripts to distribute (.shy files should work fine just if
> you only want to distribute a script without the exe/dmg/run overhead)
>
> --Cecil
>
>
> On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 15:04 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
>> Thanks for the follow through - can I proceed with packaging now - or do 
>> I
>> need to wait for these http redirects to be fixed. I can go ahead with my
>> general investigations of Shoes and defer looking at packaging 'til later 
>> if
>> necessary. I guess the ideal situation might be if I have a local copy 
>> which
>> the packager can use for creating the 'package'.
>> Roger L
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Cecil Coupe" <ccoupe@cableone.net>
>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:55 PM
>> To: <shoes@librelist.com>
>> Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager
>>
>> > It looks like something has changed at
>> > http://shoes.heroku.com/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe which is what
>> > policeman packager
>> > wants. It used to do a http redirect to
>> > http://www.rin-shun.com/shoes/pkg/policeman/win32/shoes.exe
>> >
>> > but alas, no more. There is an exe at the rin-shun.com url. The 
>> > redirect
>> > at heroku.com seems
>> > to have gone went walkabout.
>> >
>> > One more thing for the webmaster(s) to figure out.
>> >
>> > Thanks for sticking with us Roger.
>> >
>> > On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 13:50 +1000, Roger Lovelock wrote:
>> >> Thanks - I downloaded the no video version from "Shoes mingw 32"  and
>> >> installed it. Got identical results to previously. Tried again as
>> >> administrator - no change. Can I suggest someone tries a fresh install
>> >> on a 'clean machine' and duplicates my situation.
>> >> Regards
>> >> Roger L
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
> 

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 06:01
If you can compile your own shoes, you can compile your own app. There's no
documentation for this yet, though.

Otherwise, you'll have to wait. :/

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 06:07
No problem - I'll wait!


From: Steve Klabnik 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 4:01 PM
To: shoes@librelist.com 
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


If you can compile your own shoes, you can compile your own app. There's 
no documentation for this yet, though. 


Otherwise, you'll have to wait. :/

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Steve Klabnik
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 03:17
Could you post a copy of your script (using pastie or a gist or something)
please? It's hard to help without seeing the source.

On Aug 5, 2010 8:10 PM, "Roger Lovelock" <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm just learning about 'shoes' and very excited about it so far. Have
been working thru various tutorials etc, and wanted to see how big a
packaged app would be. Ran the packager - after entering the details and
selecting my .rb file, windows and 'Yes, include shoes, but without video
support' the 'working' screen came up - and stayed forever!
> I have 'googled' the problem - and see it is not new - I have tried the
various suggestions - downloaded a new version of pack.rb, overcome UTF8
problems, tried putting a renamed copy of the shoes installation executable
in a folder (no clear idea which folder is my LIB_DIR though) - etc, etc
etc.
> Have to agree with one person who posted on this subject - Shoes looks
great - but this will be a 'show-stopper' unless I can figure it out - or
(please) someone can point me in the right direction. Please - any help much
appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Roger L

Re: [shoes] Re: Packager

From:
Roger Lovelock
Date:
2010-08-06 @ 03:21
It's only a trivial script called welcome.rb :-

Shoes.app do
   para "Welcome to Shoes"
end


From: Steve Klabnik 
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:17 PM
To: shoes@librelist.com 
Subject: Re: [shoes] Re: Packager


Could you post a copy of your script (using pastie or a gist or something)
please? It's hard to help without seeing the source.

On Aug 5, 2010 8:10 PM, "Roger Lovelock" <rogerlovelock@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I'm just learning about 'shoes' and very excited about it so far. Have 
been working thru various tutorials etc, and wanted to see how big a 
packaged app would be. Ran the packager - after entering the details and 
selecting my .rb file, windows and 'Yes, include shoes, but without video 
support' the 'working' screen came up - and stayed forever!
> I have 'googled' the problem - and see it is not new - I have tried the 
various suggestions - downloaded a new version of pack.rb, overcome UTF8 
problems, tried putting a renamed copy of the shoes installation 
executable in a folder (no clear idea which folder is my LIB_DIR though) -
etc, etc etc.
> Have to agree with one person who posted on this subject - Shoes looks 
great - but this will be a 'show-stopper' unless I can figure it out - or 
(please) someone can point me in the right direction. Please - any help 
much appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> Roger L