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Re: offline networks panel @transmediale

Re: offline networks panel @transmediale

From:
panayotis antoniadis
Date:
2015-01-18 @ 17:47

(there seems to exist a strange bug with the off.networks list. The 
following
e-mail was treated like a "subscription" email and this happened recently
to other people as well. Since this is the first time that this happens to
me, one possibility is that there is a "bug" when the off.networks list
is put in "cc" instead of being the only recipient? --- to be tested)




On 18.01.2015 18:39, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
>
> So, this is the list of people that have shown interest to participate
> at the off.networks discussion at transmediale (in alphabetical order :)
> Jeff Andreoni, Panayotis Antoniadis, Ileana Apostol, Aram Bartholl,
> David Darts, Teresa Dillon, Sarah Grant, Adnan Hadzi, Minuette Le,
> James Lewis, James Stevens, MatthiasStrubel, Andreas Unteidig,
> Henry Warwick, Micheal Zeder.
>
> It may seem that we are too many but there are actually
> many couples and I think that there is room for a few more :-)
>
> I propose to use this list for organizational discussions, and cc the
> off.networks list from time to time when it makes sense. As I did in this
> e-mail to share the list of questions that each of us should prepare
> to answer:
>
> - what do "offline networks" mean for you? Why are they important?
> - how an "offline networks" community should look like if we wish
> to join forces without sacrificing on diversity and independence?
> - how can offline networks become more attractive, usable,
> and customizable?
> - which are the most important social/practical/legal/political
> challenges to be addressed?
>
> If you have other ideas on how we can make best use our time
> please share. We will have officially 2 hours, but we could carry
> on afterwards, and since it will be a saturday night we can organize
> some sort of group performance. An offline dance! (a group dance
> where some people stay always off-the-line :-))
>
> Looking forward to meeting you all!
>
> Panayotis.
>
>
> P.S. For those that have not followed, in addition to various events
> related to offline networks, there will be at transmediale a general
> discussion at the stage of the foyer on Saturday, 16h00-18h00, described
> as follows (Daphne, could you share the public URL when is available?):
> The  ‘off.networks’ mailing list started as an attempt to bring 
> together researchers, activists and artiststhat work on the idea of an 
> offline network, operating outside the Internet. Such networks could 
> range from artistic projects (eg. deadrops or wifitagger) and 
>  "personal networks" (eg PirateBox.cc or subnod.es 
> <http://subnod.es>), to neighbourhood wireless mesh networks (eg 
> commotionwireless.net <http://commotionwireless.net>) and large 
> city-scale mesh networks (eg. guifi.net <http://guifi.net>, 
> freifunk.net <http://freifunk.net>, awmn.net.). The first assembly of 
> off.networks took place at the CCC last month. In their second 
> scheduled meeting during Transmediale Festival, the members of this 
> network wish to make their first effort to build a diverse and dynamic 
> community around the design, implementation and deployment of offline 
> networks in different contexts. They wish to reflect critically on the 
> role of such local networks in shaping the evolving hybrid urban space 
> and in addressing the threats which are posed by internet corporations 
> and surveillance states on citizens’ privacy and freedom of speech. In 
> other words: How can the under construction "offline networks" allow 
> us to join  forces in reaching our common visions without sacrificing 
> pluralism and independence? The answer might not be so simple as 
> offline networks are subject to hybrid design and therefore require 
> the collaboration between people with different expertise; they are 
> context-specific and thus need to be easily installed and customized 
> by  non-savvy users; they have to compete with more and more 
>  ambiguous commercial initiatives that now pop up claiming a similar 
> logic;
>
> The session will open by short presentations by existing members of 
> the off.networks community: Aram Barholl, Jeff Andreoni, David Darts 
> and Matthias Strubel, Andreas Unteidig,  Sarah Grant, Panayotis 
> Antoniadis and Ileana Apostol. Other artists and practitioners taking 
> part in Transmediale will also join and an inclusive and open-ended 
> mode of discussion will follow. The stage will be given to 
> participants from the audience who will have 2-3 minutes each to 
> present  their thoughts and ideas forming a big round table.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [off.networks] Re: offline networks panel @transmediale

From:
panayotis antoniadis
Date:
2015-01-26 @ 18:25
Hi!

I take the opportunity from Roel's message to give you an update
on the offline networks discussion at transmediale.

First, here is the current list of people that have shown interest
to participate: Jeff Andreoni, Panayotis Antoniadis, Ileana Apostol,
Aram Bartholl,David Darts, Sarah Grant, Adnan Hadzi, Mathias Jud,
Minuette Le, James Lewis, James Stevens, MatthiasStrubel,
Andreas Unteidig,Christoph Wachter, Henry Warwick.

Second, there is not yet a concrete plan besides the rough schedule
described below (1 hour of short presentations of projects/perspectives/
past experiences, 1 hour of open discussion, and then offline dance :-))
Roel, you are welcome to join at any point but we need to make sure
that we can fit everything in the available time.

In any case, I propose to try to meet on Jan29th or Jan30th somewhere
in the festival in person and organize a little before the actual 
discussion
at the stage. Perhaps at the one of the unmonastery space at the foyer,
on Friday night? (after their reGathering?): 
http://unmonastery.org/transmediale/

In the mean time, please feel free to share your thoughts on how you 
believe
that we would make the best use of this great opportunity provided by 
Daphne.
I think we can let ourselves use the list a little more often before 
such an
important event :-)

See you soon!



On 18.01.2015 18:47, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
>
>
> (there seems to exist a strange bug with the off.networks list. The 
> following
> e-mail was treated like a "subscription" email and this happened recently
> to other people as well. Since this is the first time that this happens to
> me, one possibility is that there is a "bug" when the off.networks list
> is put in "cc" instead of being the only recipient? --- to be tested)
>
>
>
>
> On 18.01.2015 18:39, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
>>
>> So, this is the list of people that have shown interest to participate
>> at the off.networks discussion at transmediale (in alphabetical order :)
>> Jeff Andreoni, Panayotis Antoniadis, Ileana Apostol, Aram Bartholl,
>> David Darts, Teresa Dillon, Sarah Grant, Adnan Hadzi, Minuette Le,
>> James Lewis, James Stevens, MatthiasStrubel, Andreas Unteidig,
>> Henry Warwick, Micheal Zeder.
>>
>> It may seem that we are too many but there are actually
>> many couples and I think that there is room for a few more :-)
>>
>> I propose to use this list for organizational discussions, and cc the
>> off.networks list from time to time when it makes sense. As I did in 
>> this
>> e-mail to share the list of questions that each of us should prepare
>> to answer:
>>
>> - what do "offline networks" mean for you? Why are they important?
>> - how an "offline networks" community should look like if we wish
>> to join forces without sacrificing on diversity and independence?
>> - how can offline networks become more attractive, usable,
>> and customizable?
>> - which are the most important social/practical/legal/political
>> challenges to be addressed?
>>
>> If you have other ideas on how we can make best use our time
>> please share. We will have officially 2 hours, but we could carry
>> on afterwards, and since it will be a saturday night we can organize
>> some sort of group performance. An offline dance! (a group dance
>> where some people stay always off-the-line :-))
>>
>> Looking forward to meeting you all!
>>
>> Panayotis.
>>
>>
>> P.S. For those that have not followed, in addition to various events
>> related to offline networks, there will be at transmediale a general
>> discussion at the stage of the foyer on Saturday, 16h00-18h00, described
>> as follows (Daphne, could you share the public URL when is available?):
>> The  ‘off.networks’ mailing list started as an attempt to bring 
>> together researchers, activists and artiststhat work on the idea of 
>> an offline network, operating outside the Internet. Such networks 
>> could range from artistic projects (eg. deadrops or wifitagger) and 
>>  "personal networks" (eg PirateBox.cc or subnod.es 
>> <http://subnod.es>), to neighbourhood wireless mesh networks (eg 
>> commotionwireless.net <http://commotionwireless.net>) and large 
>> city-scale mesh networks (eg. guifi.net <http://guifi.net>, 
>> freifunk.net <http://freifunk.net>, awmn.net.). The first assembly of 
>> off.networks took place at the CCC last month. In their second 
>> scheduled meeting during Transmediale Festival, the members of this 
>> network wish to make their first effort to build a diverse and 
>> dynamic community around the design, implementation and deployment of 
>> offline networks in different contexts. They wish to reflect 
>> critically on the role of such local networks in shaping the evolving 
>> hybrid urban space and in addressing the threats which are posed by 
>> internet corporations and surveillance states on citizens’ privacy 
>> and freedom of speech. In other words: How can the under construction 
>> "offline networks" allow us to join  forces in reaching our common 
>> visions without sacrificing pluralism and independence? The answer 
>> might not be so simple as offline networks are subject to hybrid 
>> design and therefore require the collaboration between people with 
>> different expertise; they are context-specific and thus need to be 
>> easily installed and customized by  non-savvy users; they have to 
>> compete with more and more  ambiguous commercial initiatives that now 
>> pop up claiming a similar logic;
>>
>> The session will open by short presentations by existing members of 
>> the off.networks community: Aram Barholl, Jeff Andreoni, David Darts 
>> and Matthias Strubel, Andreas Unteidig,  Sarah Grant, Panayotis 
>> Antoniadis and Ileana Apostol. Other artists and practitioners taking 
>> part in Transmediale will also join and an inclusive and open-ended 
>> mode of discussion will follow. The stage will be given to 
>> participants from the audience who will have 2-3 minutes each to 
>> present  their thoughts and ideas forming a big round table.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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