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From:
panayotis antoniadis
Date:
2014-12-01 @ 13:45
Hi again!

I thought that it would be nice to have a "thread" where
new and old members could introduce themselves (as
Addie just did :-).

For those that just subscribed, I have pasted below some
self introductions from the email exchange before the list
to get an idea on who is already around (since there is no
way to check the membership other than the archives:
http://librelist.com/browser/off.networks/)

So, I would encourage everyone to write a few words about
their perspective on offline networks, their aspirations, plans,
etc. This will help us also to write the manifesto :-)

By the way, I have added some comments on our brainstorming
document: https://lite2.framapad.org/p/Offline_Networks_Manifesto

We also need a twitter hashtag and an email list description!
(but this should go to another thread :-)




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: transmediale
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 14:26:35 +0200
From: Daphne Dragona<daphne.dragona@gmail.com>
To:bartholl@datenform.de

[...]
Meanwhile, what you mention about 31C3 is super interesting . Do you
know when it will take place?
I am in general  very interested in the topic of offline sharing and
following it for quite some time now.
As part of my curatorial and research work I am trying to do a mapping
of such initiatives and
often develop workshops around them. So what you say to me sounds super!
And i love to come and listen to the discussion if possible.
Can you maybe send me some more info ?
[...]


Am 24.11.14 06:54, schrieb David Darts:

> Hey Everyone,
>
> Thanks for starting this thread. I'm interested in brainstorming. I'm
> not sure I'll be able to make it over for CCC & Transmediale this
> winter but I will try. I'm copying Matthias Strubel (lead PirateBox
> dev) who should be on this list as well.
>
> Cool,
> David

On 22.11.2014 17:54, Bezdomny wrote:
> Hi, I also add Ben, Kei and Lauren (from unMonastery among other things)
who will be coming to CCC and are interested in getting involved.
> Lauren and I were already brainstorming on artistic interventions 
past/present/future to do with offline wireless.. perhaps at CCC.
>
> Should we start a mailing list to discuss?



On 21.11.2014 11:29, Mark.Gaved wrote:
> Hi Panayotis
>
> Thanks again for getting us motivated with exciting ideas!
>
> I would love to come to 31C3 but now I am a new dad, I suspect the only 
hacking I will be doing this Christmas-New Year will be with Lego at the 
grandparents :-) Not appearing at the grandparents over the Christmas 
holidays with the new grandson would make my life not worth living ;-)
>
> But I think 31C3 would be a good place to share ideas and to take "our 
team" to: I can recommend these events to folks who've not been to a CCC 
event before: a very good place to expose our ideas to a different set of 
critical reviewers and potential contributors.
>
> I'd be interested in hearing more about the future events you mention, 
keep me posted!
>
> Regards
> Mark


On 26.11.2014 12:18, Minuette Le wrote:
Hello and thanks to Andreas U for linking me in. I plan to be at 31c3 
and this assembly makes it even more worth the while - I am a design 
researcher at Hybrid Publishing Lab 
<http://hybridpublishing.org/> Leuphana Univ. and a few of us have been 
experimenting with offline libraries based on Pirate Box/Library Box 
configurations.

Usability and customization for different scenarios are a good start - 
from the everyday to context-specific. Because my research is around 
primary ebooks + circulation + accessibility, I am interested in 
devising a set up that makes it easy for users to build and customize 
their own libraries.
Minuette Le
Twitter @_RSRG <https://twitter.com/_RSRG>



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Darknets, pirateboxes, invisible islands, alternets, and 
DIY networks unite!
Date: 	Thu, 20 Nov 2014 11:50:52 +0100
From: 	Andreas Unteidig <andreas.unteidig@udk-berlin.de>
To: 	Bezdomny <home@bezdomny.org>
CC: 	Panayotis Antoniadis <panayotis.antoniadis@tik.ee.ethz.ch>, Aram 
Bartholl <bartholl@datenform.de>, Dan Phiffer <dan@phiffer.org>, 
Jonathan Baldwin <jrbaldwin@gmail.com>, daviddarts@gmail.com, 
sarah_gold@live.co.uk, Smyth, Michael <M.Smyth@napier.ac.uk>, Mark.Gaved 
<Mark.Gaved@open.ac.uk>, griffey@gmail.com, Minh Nguyet Le 
<minuette.le@gmail.com>



Hi all!
thanks Panos, that sounds great and I would love to join in Hamburg! I’m 
interested in applying offline wireless to the idea of /publics/ in the 
city, e.g. to initiate and foster discourses through designing new 
frameworks with this technology. I’m especially interested in 
opportunities to apply them towards restructuring existing 
conversations/negotiations as more inclusive/accessible (e.g. for 
refugee communities as a pressing example in Berlin). I’m looking 
forward to meeting and discussing with you all. I cc’ed Minuette Le, who 
will be in Hamburg too and is interested in this conversations. Min 
works on „Radical Open Access“ within academic publishing at Leuphana 
University in Lüneburg/Germany and also looks at shadow libraries and 
mesh networks etc. as infrastructures for new approaches.

Best,
Andreas


> Am 19.11.2014 um 18:13 schrieb Bezdomny <home@bezdomny.org 
> <mailto:home@bezdomny.org>>:
>
> Hi All! great to meet!
>
> I am familiar with the work of many people here. I would be leaning 
> more towards the artist side, interested in organising actions in the 
> physical space (public space), that create a bridge between virtual 
> and physical communities. Have been working on such approaches for 
> several years. I aim aiming in incorporate more technology in the 
> actions we organise that create lasting bonds in this (to use Panos’ 
> term) /hybrid space. /My specialty is connecting unacquainted friends 
> in public places via ludic interventions.
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2014, at 15:23, Panayotis Antoniadis 
> <panayotis.antoniadis@tik.ee.ethz.ch 
> <mailto:panayotis.antoniadis@tik.ee.ethz.ch>> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I am sending this e-mail after a short twitter chat on the 
>> possibility to organize
>> a hackers/artists workshop/meeting at the Chaos Communication Congress in
>> Hamburg: http://events.ccc.de/2014/07/12/31c3-call-for-participation-en/
>> and a proposal to setup a mailing list to organize this and other similar
>> events in the future: 
>> https://twitter.com/panayotis/status/534378411012411394
>> (but I couldn't find the e-mails of all people involved)
>>
>> Personally I don't identify myself neither as a hacker nor an artist 
>> but I love the idea
>> of DIY networking as I call it and I have been thinking about it 
>> seriously for many years.
>> From my point of view it would be great to have a somehow "neutral" 
>> and inclusive space
>> for sharing experiences from different domains. For example, I am 
>> trying to organize an
>> interdisciplinary workshop at this networking conference 
>> (http://www.sigmobile.org/mobisys/2015/)
>> and it would be great to be able to advertise it to all those that 
>> could be interested.
>> Btw, for a first effort to create bridges between research/activist 
>> communities see:
>> 
http://drops.dagstuhl.de/opus/volltexte/2014/4538/pdf/dagrep_v004_i001_p125_s14042.pdf
>>
>> Jeffry (http://www.shareable.net/users/jeffrey-andreoni) told me that 
>> he would like to do
>> something similar at http://www.transmediale.de/ ... (and Andreas and 
>> myself might join)
>> http://www.design-research-lab.org/?persons=andreas-unteidig
>>
>> So, we can try to keep it flexible and distributed but still make it 
>> as easy as possible to coordinate
>> from time to time and bring people together.
>>
>> What do you think? Does this make sense? Any ideas how to organize it?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Panayotis.
>>
>>
>



Re: [off.networks] list members

From:
addie wagenknecht
Date:
2014-12-01 @ 14:05
ok let me try this again :)

Hi All,

I'm Addie. I am an artist based in the EU/US, along with Aram at F.A.T. lab
<http://fffff.at/>. I also make art
<http://www.bitforms.com/wagenknecht-2014/xxxx-xxx> playing with the notion
of offline vs. online, data, black boxes etc. I have been experimenting
with luna, openwrt and pirate box over the last few years. making things
like wifi tagger.

My primary focus the last few months has been working on the hardware side
to develop alternative models of acquiring metadata, est. shadow libraries,
mesh networks, and building a dark net collaborative <http://deeplab.net/>.

At c3 I'd like to look at ways we can develop networks/nodes which enable
citizens/activist/artist to control the data, implications of developing
offline/networked content, and creative inquiries around the notion of
space.

Looking fwd,
addie

Re: [off.networks] list members

From:
Rra
Date:
2015-01-26 @ 17:16
Hi all,

While reading through the Transmediale 2015 programme I discovered this
list. A quick intro: My name is Roel and I'm an artist currently based
in Rotterdam, The Netherlands. Over the last few years I've become
increasingly interested in off line / alternative computer networks.

I've worked on various projects related, if not overlapping, with the
topic of this list such as: bibliotecha.info, homebrewserver.club,
Meshenger (github.com/rscmbbng/meshenger) and Pretty Fly For A Wifi
(http://roelof.info/projects/%282014%29Pretty_Fly_For_A_Wifi/).

Another point of overlap is a collaboration I did that will be shown
during the offline art show at transmediale: http://template01.info/social/

I'm curious to see what you're all up to and looking forward to meet you
all during the off.networks discussion.

best,

R

Re: [off.networks] list members

From:
panayotis antoniadis
Date:
2015-01-26 @ 18:55
Hi again,

I thought that it would be nice from my side to introduce in more detail
myself since I took the responsibility to organize our first public 
gathering
at transmediale.

My core interest in offline networks is to see them one day very easy to
deploy and customize by non-savvy people.

My background is on engineering and peer-to-peer systems. I did
a PhD on incentive mechanisms for p2p file sharing and since then
I try to reach different disciplines and "sell" the idea of a p2p network
operating outside the Internet from different perspectives: engineering,
scientific, political, social, urban and more, hoping to bring together as
many people as possible around this complex design space.

See for example the results of a first effort to build a similar community
at the "academic" domain, one year ago, around what we called
"DIY networking": http://diynetworking.net (in which you are very
welcome to participate!). And this is a series of blogs on "alternative
internets" hosted by the LSE (more on the political/legal dimension):
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/mediapolicyproject/category/alternativeinternets/

(btw, I really hope that all these initiatives will merge somehow at one
point since joining forces, even with some compromises, is the only way
imho to compete with existing Internet-based commercial locative media
and offline alternatives that we will probably see soon being introduced
by big companies).

In any case, this interdisciplinary approach is coming now to its limits
inside the academia (it was too risky in the first place) and with my
wife and collaborator, Ileana Apostol, who is an urban planner, we are
founding these days a nonprofit organization, http://nethood.org, under
which we hope to continue our work with less constraints.

I would suggest the following readings as a short introduction to our work:

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/mediapolicyproject/2014/12/12/from-personal-computers-to-personal-networks-are-we-ready-for-the-diy-networking-era/
http://nethood.org/publications/urbanixd_contact.pdf

http://nethood.org/publications/antoniadis_apostol_rights_to_the_hybrid_city_public_version.pdf

And here is me trying to answer the most popular question: "Why?"
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6XhzgUhuBvjAt92RpE

More at transmediale!

Panayotis.
http://www.tik.ee.ethz.ch/~pantonia/

Re: [off.networks] list members

From:
Matthias Strubel
Date:
2014-12-03 @ 16:41
Hi everybody,
let me introduce myself.

My Name is Matthias and I'm from Wiesbaden-Germany. Back in the December 
2012 I made the decision to stop playing MMORPGs all day long and try to 
support an open source project.
One month later David Darts came across with the PirateBox project and I 
quickly found a point where I can do a little bit coding..
... over the years it turned out I'm now the lead developer of these tiny 
boxes and I support Jason Griffey in his LibraryBox movement.

Since the intensive work on the PirateBox I'm interested in mesh 
networking and I'm curious about all the new offline-Network movements 
with or without PirateBox-background.
In the year 2012 I became a freelancer to have more time to work on such 
projects and I had the pleasure to develop the OFFLINEART  box for Aram :)

I learned application development, and now my daily topics is about 
mainframe/application integration using a special middleware software... 
and the most issues are on OSI-Layer 8 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model) -- the human interaction.I gained
a lot of technical background over the years on job what you should try to
avoid or do for fault tolerant networks on application side :)

I have no detailed plan or idea about the off networks. 
There is a big social impact, if we hit the right time, place and topic...
I already know  from ppl using this to circumvent censorship in 
problematic. I hope, after we initialized the project, the movements 
attracts interested developers and UI designers that the single projects 
doesn't end up in <5 Person projects... and hopefully we trust in each 
other that we support us in UX, development or idea exchanges. 

best regards
Matthias


On 12/01/2014 02:45 PM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
> 
> Hi again!
> 
> I thought that it would be nice to have a "thread" where
> new and old members could introduce themselves (as
> Addie just did :-).
> 
> For those that just subscribed, I have pasted below some
> self introductions from the email exchange before the list
> to get an idea on who is already around (since there is no
> way to check the membership other than the archives:
> http://librelist.com/browser/off.networks/)
> 
> So, I would encourage everyone to write a few words about
> their perspective on offline networks, their aspirations, plans,
> etc. This will help us also to write the manifesto :-)
> 
> By the way, I have added some comments on our brainstorming
> document: https://lite2.framapad.org/p/Offline_Networks_Manifesto
> 
> We also need a twitter hashtag and an email list description!
> (but this should go to another thread :-)
> 
> 
> 

Re: [off.networks] list members

From:
David Darts
Date:
2014-12-08 @ 07:10
Hello list,

Sorry for being late to the party.

My name is David Darts and I teach art at New York University (NYU). I
recently stepped down as the Department Chair for the Art Department
in New York and am currently on loan in the Middle East building the
art studios and setting up the studio art program here at our new NYU
campus in Abu Dhabi. I teach courses in sculpture, digital
fabrication, and design. I usually live in Berlin during the Summer.

I created the PirateBox a few years back, inspired partly by Aram's
DeadDrops project. He and I later taught a masterclass about offline
file sharing at Baltan Labs http://goo.gl/t3BsEY http://goo.gl/dH9muU
(with contributions from Matthias) and we've been hanging out ever
since.

As Matthias mentioned in his intro, he and I have been working
together on PirateBox http://piratebox.cc for sometime. We like to
hack and experiment with various FLOSS systems together.

I sadly won't be able to physically join you at 31C3 but I could
possibly make it to Transmediale...though it sounds like the call for
proposals/sessions is already closed...?

Anyhow, it's a pleasure to meet ya'll.
d.



On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Matthias Strubel
<Matthias.Strubel@aod-rpg.de> wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> let me introduce myself.
>
> My Name is Matthias and I'm from Wiesbaden-Germany. Back in the December
2012 I made the decision to stop playing MMORPGs all day long and try to 
support an open source project.
> One month later David Darts came across with the PirateBox project and I
quickly found a point where I can do a little bit coding..
> ... over the years it turned out I'm now the lead developer of these 
tiny boxes and I support Jason Griffey in his LibraryBox movement.
>
> Since the intensive work on the PirateBox I'm interested in mesh 
networking and I'm curious about all the new offline-Network movements 
with or without PirateBox-background.
> In the year 2012 I became a freelancer to have more time to work on such
projects and I had the pleasure to develop the OFFLINEART  box for Aram :)
>
> I learned application development, and now my daily topics is about 
mainframe/application integration using a special middleware software... 
and the most issues are on OSI-Layer 8 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model) -- the human interaction.I gained
a lot of technical background over the years on job what you should try to
avoid or do for fault tolerant networks on application side :)
>
> I have no detailed plan or idea about the off networks.
> There is a big social impact, if we hit the right time, place and 
topic... I already know  from ppl using this to circumvent censorship in 
problematic. I hope, after we initialized the project, the movements 
attracts interested developers and UI designers that the single projects 
doesn't end up in <5 Person projects... and hopefully we trust in each 
other that we support us in UX, development or idea exchanges.
>
> best regards
> Matthias
>
>
> On 12/01/2014 02:45 PM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
>>
>> Hi again!
>>
>> I thought that it would be nice to have a "thread" where
>> new and old members could introduce themselves (as
>> Addie just did :-).
>>
>> For those that just subscribed, I have pasted below some
>> self introductions from the email exchange before the list
>> to get an idea on who is already around (since there is no
>> way to check the membership other than the archives:
>> http://librelist.com/browser/off.networks/)
>>
>> So, I would encourage everyone to write a few words about
>> their perspective on offline networks, their aspirations, plans,
>> etc. This will help us also to write the manifesto :-)
>>
>> By the way, I have added some comments on our brainstorming
>> document: https://lite2.framapad.org/p/Offline_Networks_Manifesto
>>
>> We also need a twitter hashtag and an email list description!
>> (but this should go to another thread :-)
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [off.networks] list members

From:
Daphne Dragona
Date:
2014-12-08 @ 21:34
Hello all

And apologies from my side also for writing so late to the list .

My name is Daphne Dragona and I work and live in Athens and Berlin.
I am a curator and a researcher.  I have worked on game based art, net and
network based art and on 
new forms of creativity that are connected to the digital and urban commons.
Currently i am mostly working on data-driven art and i also share a great 
interest 
for off-the-cloud and off-the-grid initiatives. I have been following the 
scene of the DIY wifi / 
offline sharing networks /community networks and the artistic practices 
that connect to it 
for the last few years.

Some of the projects that I have worked on towards this direction are

- Datenspiel , a series of workshops I curated in Athens back in 2013
with Julian Oliver , Danja Vasiliev , Gordan Savicic, Sabrina Basten and 
Audrey Samson.
Especially the workshops/ participatory works of Julian (Covert Computing)
 and Danja (Netless @ the city)  were based on the notion of the offline 
sharing network.
http://ludicpyjamas.net/wp/?page_id=644
https://www.flickr.com/photos/datenspiel/sets/

- and this year recently the project New Babylon Revisited again in Athens
with many different artists and theorists.
Among them were Adnan Hadzi, James Stevens, Antonis Galanopoulos  who led reStreet
and the Telekommunisten that set up a decentralised Octo in a building of 
offices in the center
of the city.
http://newbabylonrevisited.net/

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.336295269875390.1073741841.321203228051261&type=3

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.321921221312795.1073741838.321203228051261&type=3

https://www.facebook.com/aikaterini.contarini/media_set?set=a.675998429185649&type=1&pnref=story

I am very excited about the discussions you are having
and feel very lucky having been invited  by Aram.
The reason i am quite silent is that i am currently working as a curator 
for Transmediale
and this is a very busy period for us..
We very much hope to have an off.nets event/discussion joining our foyer program.
Things are bit difficult because it is a bit late in terms of budget and time
but we are working on it!

best regards to all
daphne










On Dec 8, 2014, at 8:10 AM, David Darts wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> Sorry for being late to the party.
> 
> My name is David Darts and I teach art at New York University (NYU). I
> recently stepped down as the Department Chair for the Art Department
> in New York and am currently on loan in the Middle East building the
> art studios and setting up the studio art program here at our new NYU
> campus in Abu Dhabi. I teach courses in sculpture, digital
> fabrication, and design. I usually live in Berlin during the Summer.
> 
> I created the PirateBox a few years back, inspired partly by Aram's
> DeadDrops project. He and I later taught a masterclass about offline
> file sharing at Baltan Labs http://goo.gl/t3BsEY http://goo.gl/dH9muU
> (with contributions from Matthias) and we've been hanging out ever
> since.
> 
> As Matthias mentioned in his intro, he and I have been working
> together on PirateBox http://piratebox.cc for sometime. We like to
> hack and experiment with various FLOSS systems together.
> 
> I sadly won't be able to physically join you at 31C3 but I could
> possibly make it to Transmediale...though it sounds like the call for
> proposals/sessions is already closed...?
> 
> Anyhow, it's a pleasure to meet ya'll.
> d.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Matthias Strubel
> <Matthias.Strubel@aod-rpg.de> wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>> let me introduce myself.
>> 
>> My Name is Matthias and I'm from Wiesbaden-Germany. Back in the 
December 2012 I made the decision to stop playing MMORPGs all day long and
try to support an open source project.
>> One month later David Darts came across with the PirateBox project and 
I quickly found a point where I can do a little bit coding..
>> ... over the years it turned out I'm now the lead developer of these 
tiny boxes and I support Jason Griffey in his LibraryBox movement.
>> 
>> Since the intensive work on the PirateBox I'm interested in mesh 
networking and I'm curious about all the new offline-Network movements 
with or without PirateBox-background.
>> In the year 2012 I became a freelancer to have more time to work on 
such projects and I had the pleasure to develop the OFFLINEART  box for 
Aram :)
>> 
>> I learned application development, and now my daily topics is about 
mainframe/application integration using a special middleware software... 
and the most issues are on OSI-Layer 8 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model) -- the human interaction.I gained
a lot of technical background over the years on job what you should try to
avoid or do for fault tolerant networks on application side :)
>> 
>> I have no detailed plan or idea about the off networks.
>> There is a big social impact, if we hit the right time, place and 
topic... I already know  from ppl using this to circumvent censorship in 
problematic. I hope, after we initialized the project, the movements 
attracts interested developers and UI designers that the single projects 
doesn't end up in <5 Person projects... and hopefully we trust in each 
other that we support us in UX, development or idea exchanges.
>> 
>> best regards
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/01/2014 02:45 PM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi again!
>>> 
>>> I thought that it would be nice to have a "thread" where
>>> new and old members could introduce themselves (as
>>> Addie just did :-).
>>> 
>>> For those that just subscribed, I have pasted below some
>>> self introductions from the email exchange before the list
>>> to get an idea on who is already around (since there is no
>>> way to check the membership other than the archives:
>>> http://librelist.com/browser/off.networks/)
>>> 
>>> So, I would encourage everyone to write a few words about
>>> their perspective on offline networks, their aspirations, plans,
>>> etc. This will help us also to write the manifesto :-)
>>> 
>>> By the way, I have added some comments on our brainstorming
>>> document: https://lite2.framapad.org/p/Offline_Networks_Manifesto
>>> 
>>> We also need a twitter hashtag and an email list description!
>>> (but this should go to another thread :-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: [off.networks] list members

From:
Joseph Bonicioli
Date:
2014-12-09 @ 13:24
Hi all

 

I barged in a conversation no long ago but I should rectify my stance by
introducing a bit myself. Thanks Jeff for the invitation!

My name  Joseph Bonicioli I live in Athens and I am an
Italian-Croatian-Greek mix (in case you were wondering about the last name).
I am deeply involved in many Community Wireless network projects starting
with Athens Wireless Metropolitan Network (https://www.awmn.net)

I am a member of the association and a member of the board for the last 4 +
2 years. I have been involved in the project for the last 10 years and been
responsible for a lot of "Off-line" services, like  the hostmaster, IPv6
addressing, the VoIP backbone, Mail servers and multiple other network and
social related projects.

The last three years we have been working on a European scale Research
project named CONFINE (http://www.confine-project.eu) . This has created the
opportunity to create what now is possibly one of the largest offline
networks (online too) between communities and research institutes. Currently
AWMN, Funkfeur, Guifi, parts of Freifunk, a dozen of other Greek Community
networks and some smaller or larger organization are interconnected
wirelessly or through VPNs to form a network and a research testbed. 

I am also involved and member of the board in Sarantaporo.gr. Sarantaporo.gr
is an organization that aspires to  grow a large community network that not
only offers internet access to areas that do not have access to the
internet, but also tries to create localized services to serve the needs of
the agricultural community that surrounds it.   

My interests in regard to this list are mainly focused on applications based
on Community Networks but also I feel that the various projects that you
guys are involved in can give great inspiration for what we are about to
create in the future. 

I feel very excited to be here and looking forward to the conversations that
we will have. 

 

My best regards, 

JB

 

 

From: off.networks@librelist.com [mailto:off.networks@librelist.com] On
Behalf Of Daphne Dragona
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 11:34 PM
To: off.networks@librelist.com
Subject: Re: [off.networks] list members

 

Hello all

 

And apologies from my side also for writing so late to the list .

 

My name is Daphne Dragona and I work and live in Athens and Berlin.

I am a curator and a researcher.  I have worked on game based art, net and
network based art and on 

new forms of creativity that are connected to the digital and urban commons.

Currently i am mostly working on data-driven art and i also share a great
interest 

for off-the-cloud and off-the-grid initiatives. I have been following the
scene of the DIY wifi / 

offline sharing networks /community networks and the artistic practices that
connect to it 

for the last few years.

 

Some of the projects that I have worked on towards this direction are





- Datenspiel , a series of workshops I curated in Athens back in 2013

with Julian Oliver , Danja Vasiliev , Gordan Savicic, Sabrina Basten and
Audrey Samson.

Especially the workshops/ participatory works of Julian (Covert Computing)

 and Danja (Netless @ the city)  were based on the notion of the offline
sharing network.

http://ludicpyjamas.net/wp/?page_id=644

https://www.flickr.com/photos/datenspiel/sets/

 

- and this year recently the project New Babylon Revisited again in Athens
with many different artists and theorists.

Among them were Adnan Hadzi, James Stevens, Antonis Galanopoulos  who led
reStreet

and the Telekommunisten that set up a decentralised Octo in a building of
offices in the center

of the city.

http://newbabylonrevisited.net/ <http://newb%20abylonre%20visited.net/> 

 
<https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.336295269875390.1073741841.321203
228051261&type=3>
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.336295269875390.1073741841.3212032
28051261&type=3

 
<https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.321921221312795.1073741838.321203
228051261&type=3>
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.321921221312795.1073741838.3212032
28051261&type=3

https://www.facebook.com/aikaterini.contarini/media_set?set=a.67599842918564
9
<https://www.facebook.com/aikaterini.contarini/media_set?set=a.6759984291856
49&type=1&pnref=story> &type=1&pnref=story

 

I am very excited about the discussions you are having

and feel very lucky having been invited  by Aram.

The reason i am quite silent is that i am currently working as a curator for
Transmediale

and this is a very busy period for us.. 

We very much hope to have an off.nets event/discussion joining our foyer
program.

Things are bit difficult because it is a bit late in terms of budget and
time

but we are working on it!

 

best regards to all

daphne

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Dec 8, 2014, at 8:10 AM, David Darts wrote:





Hello list,

Sorry for being late to the party.

My name is David Darts and I teach art at New York University (NYU). I
recently stepped down as the Department Chair for the Art Department
in New York and am currently on loan in the Middle East building the
art studios and setting up the studio art program here at our new NYU
campus in Abu Dhabi. I teach courses in sculpture, digital
fabrication, and d esign. I usually live in Berlin during the Summer.

I created the PirateBox a few years back, inspired partly by Aram's
DeadDrops project. He and I later taught a masterclass about offline
file sharing at Baltan Labs http://goo.gl/t3BsEY http://goo.gl/dH9muU
(with contributions from Matthias) and we've been hanging out ever
since.

As Matthias mentioned in his intro, he and I have been working
together on PirateBox http://piratebox.cc for sometime. We like to
hack and experiment with various FLOSS systems together.

I sadly won't be able to physically join you at 31C3 but I could
possibly make it to Transmediale...though it sounds like the call for
proposals/sessions is already closed...?

Anyhow, it's a pleasure to meet ya'll.
d.



On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Matthias Strubel
<Matthias.Strubel@aod-rpg.de <mailto:Matthias.Strub%20el@aod-r%20pg.de> >
wrote:



Hi everybody,

let me introduce myself.

 

My Name is Matthias and I'm from Wiesbaden-Germany. Back in the December
2012 I made the decision to stop playing MMORPGs all day long and try to
support an open source project.

One month later David Darts came across with the PirateBox project and I
quickly found a point where I can do a little bit coding..

... over the years it turned out I'm now the lead developer of these tiny
boxes and I support Jason Griffey in his LibraryBox movement.

 

Since the intensive work on the PirateBox I'm interested in mesh networking
and I'm curious about all the new offline-Network movements with or w ithout
P irateBox-background.

In the year 2012 I became a freelancer to have more time to work on such
projects and I had the pleasure to develop the OFFLINEART  box for Aram :)

 

I learned application development, and now my daily topics is about
mainframe/application integration using a special middleware software... and
the most issues are on OSI-Layer 8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model)
-- the human interaction.I gained a lot of technical background over the
years on job what you should try to avoid or do for fault tolerant networks
on application side :)

 

I have no detailed plan or idea about the off networks.

There is a big social impact, if we hit the right time, place and topic ...
I al ready know  from ppl using this to circumvent censorship in
problematic. I hope, after we initialized the project, the movements
attracts interested developers and UI designers that the single projects
doesn't end up in <5 Person projects... and hopefully we trust in each other
that we support us in UX, development or idea exchanges.

 

best regards

Matthias

 

 

On 12/01/2014 02:45 PM, panayotis antoniadis wrote:

 

Hi again!

 

I thought that it wou ld be ni ce to have a "thread" where

new and old members could introduce themselves (as

Addie just did :-).

 

For those that just subscribed, I have pasted below some

self introductions from the email exchange before the list

to get an idea on who is already around (since there is no

way to check the membership other than the archives:

http://librelist.com/browser/off.networks/
<http://librelist.com/browser/off.net%20works/> )

 

So, I would encourage everyone to write a few words about

their perspective on offline networks, their aspirations, plans,

etc. This will help us also to write the manifesto :-)

 

By the way, I have added some comments on our brainstorming

document: https://lite2.framapad.org/p/Offline_Networks_Manifesto

 

We also need a twitter hashtag and an email list description!

(but this should go to another thread :-)

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [off.networks] list members

From:
Bezdomny
Date:
2014-12-10 @ 20:44
HI everyone, 
I met some of you in person already, look forward to seeing the rest of 
you in Hamburg. I am pretty sure I am going.
I am coming from the arts and activism area and got interested in offline 
wireless for reasons of autonomy and digital inclusion.
I am not so interested in the technology as what can be done with it and 
that is how I wound up here. I am not the one who is going to find new 
uses for networking technology, what I aim to do is to create situations 
where people who have little experience of networking can be given tools, 
cues and inspiration to push them to find new uses for this technology 
that we haven’t even thought of yet. 

What I was proposing with some member of this list is to start injecting 
people into these networks through workshops and actions, especially in 
the public space. Another unintended result of such activities could be to
make observations and “extract" data to influence policy makers on the 
needs of local communities.

In January I will be at Transmediale in Berlin with the unMonastery 
project and am planning some such offline workshops for the event. I hope 
to gather some ideas for this at CCC.

I write for Shareable magazine as Panos mentioned previously and am also 
doing a PhD in Digital Anthropology at NTU. 
I also love to cook.






On Dec 9, 2014, at 13:24, Joseph Bonicioli <nettraptor@awmn.net> wrote:

> Hi all
>  
> I barged in a conversation no long ago but I should rectify my stance by
introducing a bit myself. Thanks Jeff for the invitation!
> My name  Joseph Bonicioli I live in Athens and I am an 
Italian-Croatian-Greek mix (in case you were wondering about the last 
name). I a m deeply involved in many Community Wireless network projects 
starting with Athens Wireless Metropolitan Network (https://www.awmn.net)
> I am a member of the association and a member of the board for the last 
4 + 2 years. I have been involved in the project for the last 10 years and
been responsible for a lot of “Off-line” services, like  the hostmaster, 
IPv6 addressing, the VoIP backbone, Mail servers and multiple other 
network and social related projects.
> The last three years we have been working on a European scale Research 
project named CONFINE (http://www.confine-project.eu) . This has created 
the opportunity to create what now is possibly one of the l argest offline
networks (online too) between communities and research institutes. 
Currently AWMN, Funkfeur, Guifi, parts of Freifunk, a dozen of other Greek
Community networks and some smaller or larger organization are 
interconnected wirelessly or through VPNs to form a network and a research
testbed.
> I am also involved and member of the board in Sarantaporo.gr. 
Sarantaporo.gr is an organization that aspires to  grow a large community 
network that not only offers internet access to areas that do not have 
access to the internet, but also tries to create localized services to 
serve the needs of the agricultural community that surrounds it.   
> My interests in regard to this list are mainly focused on applications 
based on Community Networks but also I feel that the various projects that
you guys are involved in can give great inspiration for what we are about 
to create in the future.
> I feel very excited to be here and looking forward to the conversations 
that we will have.
>  
> My best regards,
> JB
>  
>  
> From: off.networks@librelist.com [mailto:off.networks@librelist.com] On 
Behalf Of Daphne Dragona
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 11:34 PM
> To: off.networks@librelist.com
> Subject: Re: [off.networks] list members
>  
> Hello all
>  
> And apologies from my side also for writing so late to the list .
>  
> My name is Daphne Dragona and I work and live in Athens and Berlin.
> I am a curator and a researcher.  I have worked on game based art, net 
and network based art and on 
> new forms of creativity that are connected to the digital and urban commons.
> Currently i am mostly working on data-driven art and i also share a 
great interest 
> for off-the-cloud and off-the-grid initiatives. I have been following 
the scene of the DIY wifi / 
> offline sharing networks /community networks and the artistic practices 
that connect t o it 
> for the last few years.
>  
> Some of the projects that I have worked on towards this direction are
> 
> 
> - Datenspiel , a series of workshops I curated in Athens back in 2013
> with Julian Oliver , Danja Vasiliev , Gordan Savicic, Sabrina Basten and
Audrey Samson.
> Especially the workshops/ participatory works of Julian (Covert Computing)
>  and Danja (Netless @ the city)  were based on the notion of the offline
sharing network.
> http://ludicpyjamas.net/wp/?page_id=644
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/datenspiel/sets/
>  
> - and this year recently the project New Babylon Revisited again in 
Athens with many different artists and theorists.
> Among them were Adnan Hadzi, James Stevens, Antonis Galanopoulos  who 
led reStreet
> and the Telekommunisten that set up a decentralised Octo in a building 
of offices in the center
> of the city.
> http://newbabylonrevisited.net/
> https: 
//www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.336295269875390.1073741841.321203228051261&type=3
> 
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.321921221312795.1073741838.321203228051261&type=3
> 
https://www.facebook.com/aikaterini.contarini/media_set?set=a.675998429185649&type=1&pnref=story
>  
> I am very excited about the discussions you are having
> < div>
> and feel very lucky having been invited  by Aram.
> The reason i am quite silent is that i am currently working as a curator
for Transmediale
> and this is a very busy period for us..
> We very much hope to have an off.nets event/discussion joining our foyer
program.
> Things are bit difficult because it is a bit late in terms of budget and time
> but we are working on it!
>  
> best regards to all
> daphne
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Dec 8, 2014, at 8:10 AM, David Darts wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> Sorry for being late to the party.
> 
> My name is David Darts and I teach art at New York University (NYU). I
> recently stepped down as the Department Chair for the Art Department
> in New York and am currently on loan in the Middle East building the
> art studios and setting up the studio art program here at our new NYU
> campus in Abu Dhabi. I teach courses in sculpture, digital
> fa brication, and d esign. I usually live in Berlin during the Summer.
> 
> I created the PirateBox a few years back, inspired partly by Aram's
> DeadDrops project. He and I later taught a masterclass about offline
> file sharing at Baltan Labs http://goo.gl/t3BsEY http://goo.gl/dH9muU
> (with contributions from Matthias) and we've been hanging out ever
> since.
> 
> As Matthias mentioned in his intro, he and I have been working
> together on PirateBox http://piratebox.cc for sometime. We like to
> hack and experiment with various FLOSS systems together.
> 
> I sadly won't be able to physically join you at 31C3 but I could
> possibly make it to Transmediale...though it sounds like the call for
> proposals/sessions is already closed...?
> 
> Anyhow, it's a pleasure to meet ya'll.
> d.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Matthias Strubel
> <Matthias.Strubel@aod-rpg.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> let me introduce myself.
>  
> My Name is Matthias and I'm from Wiesbaden-Germany. Back in the December
2012 I made the decision to stop playing MMORPGs all day long and try to 
support an open source project.
> One month later David Darts came across with the PirateBox project and I
quickly found a point where I can do a little bit coding..
> ... over the years it turned out I'm now the lead developer of these 
tiny boxes and I support Jason Griffey in his LibraryBox movement.
>  
> Since the intensive work on the PirateBox I'm interested in mesh 
networking and I'm curious about all the new offline-Network movements 
with or w ithout P irateBox-background.
> In the year 2012 I became a freelancer to have more time to work on such
projects and I had the pleasure to develop the OFFLINEART  box for Aram :)
>  
> I learned application development, and now my daily topics is about 
mainframe/application integration using a special middleware software... 
and the most issues are on OSI-Layer 8 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model) -- the human interaction.I gained
a lot of technical background over the years on job what you should try to
avoid or do for fault tolerant networks on application side :)
>  
> I have no detailed plan or idea about the off networks.
> There is a big social impact, if we hit the right time, place and topic 
... I al ready know  from ppl using this to circumve nt censorship in 
problematic. I hope, after we initialized the project, the movements 
attracts interested developers and UI designers that the single projects 
doesn't end up in <5 Person projects... and hopefully we trust in each 
other that we support us in UX, development or idea exchanges.
>  
> best regards
> Matthias
>  
>  
> On 12/01/2014 02:45 PM, panayotis antoni adis wrote:
>  
> Hi again!
>  
> I thought that it wou ld be ni ce to have a "thread" where
> new and old members could introduce them selves (as
> Addie just did :-).
>  
> For those that just subscribed, I have pasted below some
> self introductions from the email exchange before the list
> to get an idea on who is already around (since there is no
> way to check the membership other than the archives:
> http://librelist.com/browser/off.networks/)
>  
> So, I would encourage everyone to write a few words about
> their perspective on offline networks, their aspirations, plans,
> etc. This will help us also to write the manifesto :-)
>  
> By the way, I have added some comments on our brainstorming
> document: https://lite2.framapad.org/p/Offline_Networks_Manifesto
>  
> We also need a twitter hashtag and an email list description!
> (but this should go to another thread :-)

Re: [off.networks] list members

From:
Date:
2014-12-13 @ 04:48
I spoke up a bit a couple weeks ago, but let me make a formal introduction…

My name is Sarah Grant and I live in Brooklyn. I will be heading over to 
Berlin this Sunday (hence, running around getting last minute things 
sorted) and will be making the trip up to Hamburg for CCC. Some of you I 
know IRL, but not everyone. I went to ITP here in New York from ’06 - ’08,
some overlap with Addie :). I also was an artist in residence at Eyebeam 
two years ago where I started my http://subnod.es project. The idea was to
make it a little bit easier for non-technical people to install a wireless
access point, chat room, and active BATMAN mesh node, by providing an 
installation script and tutorials, and eventually, a UI kit of some sort. 
I know a lot of people personally who would love to get involved and take 
advantage of the practical and creative uses of mesh networking, but find 
it intimidating to get started. So this is the problem I’d like to solve.

It will be great to spend some time talking + thinking with like-minded 
folks and would love people’s input on how we could make this technology 
easier and more usable to people who aren’t committed artists and 
developers. 

I’m really looking forward to it! 
Sarah

Oh, p.s., I’ve never been to Hamburg before, so if anyone can recommend 
where is good to stay or if anyone wants to figure it out together, let me
know.


-----Original Message-----
From: "Bezdomny" <home@bezdomny.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:44pm
To: off.networks@librelist.com
Subject: Re: [off.networks] list members

HI everyone, 
I met some of you in person already, look forward to seeing the rest of 
you in Hamburg. I am pretty sure I am going.
I am coming from the arts and activism area and got interested in offline 
wireless for reasons of autonomy and digital inclusion.
I am not so interested in the technology as what can be done with it and 
that is how I wound up here. I am not the one who is going to find new 
uses for networking technology, what I aim to do is to create situations 
where people who have little experience of networking can be given tools, 
cues and inspiration to push them to find new uses for this technology 
that we haven’t even thought of yet. 

What I was proposing with some member of this list is to start injecting 
people into these networks through workshops and actions, especially in 
the public space. Another unintended result of such activities could be to
make observations and “extract" data to influence policy makers on the 
needs of local communities.

In January I will be at Transmediale in Berlin with the unMonastery 
project and am planning some such offline workshops for the event. I hope 
to gather some ideas for this at CCC.

I write for Shareable magazine as Panos mentioned previously and am also 
doing a PhD in Digital Anthropology at NTU. 
I also love to cook.






On Dec 9, 2014, at 13:24, Joseph Bonicioli <nettraptor@awmn.net> wrote:

> Hi all
>  
> I barged in a conversation no long ago but I should rectify my stance by
introducing a bit myself. Thanks Jeff for the invitation!
> My name  Joseph Bonicioli I live in Athens and I am an 
Italian-Croatian-Greek mix (in case you were wondering about the last 
name). I a m deeply involved in many Community Wireless network projects 
starting with Athens Wireless Metropolitan Network (https://www.awmn.net)
> I am a member of the association and a member of the board for the last 
4 + 2 years. I have been involved in the project for the last 10 years and
been responsible for a lot of “Off-line” services, like  the hostmaster, 
IPv6 addressing, the VoIP backbone, Mail servers and multiple other 
network and social related projects.
> The last three years we have been working on a European scale Research 
project named CONFINE (http://www.confine-project.eu) . This has created 
the opportunity to create what now is possibly one of the l argest offline
networks (online too) between communities and research institutes. 
Currently AWMN, Funkfeur, Guifi, parts of Freifunk, a dozen of other Greek
Community networks and some smaller or larger organization are 
interconnected wirelessly or through VPNs to form a network and a research
testbed.
> I am also involved and member of the board in Sarantaporo.gr. 
Sarantaporo.gr is an organization that aspires to  grow a large community 
network that not only offers internet access to areas that do not have 
access to the internet, but also tries to create localized services to 
serve the needs of the agricultural community that surrounds it.   
> My interests in regard to this list are mainly focused on applications 
based on Community Networks but also I feel that the various projects that
you guys are involved in can give great inspiration for what we are about 
to create in the future.
> I feel very excited to be here and looking forward to the conversations 
that we will have.
>  
> My best regards,
> JB
>  
>  
> From: off.networks@librelist.com [mailto:off.networks@librelist.com] On 
Behalf Of Daphne Dragona
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2014 11:34 PM
> To: off.networks@librelist.com
> Subject: Re: [off.networks] list members
>  
> Hello all
>  
> And apologies from my side also for writing so late to the list .
>  
> My name is Daphne Dragona and I work and live in Athens and Berlin.
> I am a curator and a researcher.  I have worked on game based art, net 
and network based art and on 
> new forms of creativity that are connected to the digital and urban commons.
> Currently i am mostly working on data-driven art and i also share a 
great interest 
> for off-the-cloud and off-the-grid initiatives. I have been following 
the scene of the DIY wifi / 
> offline sharing networks /community networks and the artistic practices 
that connect t o it 
> for the last few years.
>  
> Some of the projects that I have worked on towards this direction are
> 
> 
> - Datenspiel , a series of workshops I curated in Athens back in 2013
> with Julian Oliver , Danja Vasiliev , Gordan Savicic, Sabrina Basten and
Audrey Samson.
> Especially the workshops/ participatory works of Julian (Covert Computing)
>  and Danja (Netless @ the city)  were based on the notion of the offline
sharing network.
> http://ludicpyjamas.net/wp/?page_id=644
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/datenspiel/sets/
>  
> - and this year recently the project New Babylon Revisited again in 
Athens with many different artists and theorists.
> Among them were Adnan Hadzi, James Stevens, Antonis Galanopoulos  who 
led reStreet
> and the Telekommunisten that set up a decentralised Octo in a building 
of offices in the center
> of the city.
> http://newbabylonrevisited.net/
> https: 
//www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.336295269875390.1073741841.321203228051261&type=3
> 
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.321921221312795.1073741838.321203228051261&type=3
> 
https://www.facebook.com/aikaterini.contarini/media_set?set=a.675998429185649&type=1&pnref=story
>  
> I am very excited about the discussions you are having
> < div>
> and feel very lucky having been invited  by Aram.
> The reason i am quite silent is that i am currently working as a curator
for Transmediale
> and this is a very busy period for us..
> We very much hope to have an off.nets event/discussion joining our foyer
program.
> Things are bit difficult because it is a bit late in terms of budget and time
> but we are working on it!
>  
> best regards to all
> daphne
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Dec 8, 2014, at 8:10 AM, David Darts wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> Sorry for being late to the party.
> 
> My name is David Darts and I teach art at New York University (NYU). I
> recently stepped down as the Department Chair for the Art Department
> in New York and am currently on loan in the Middle East building the
> art studios and setting up the studio art program here at our new NYU
> campus in Abu Dhabi. I teach courses in sculpture, digital
> fa brication, and d esign. I usually live in Berlin during the Summer.
> 
> I created the PirateBox a few years back, inspired partly by Aram's
> DeadDrops project. He and I later taught a masterclass about offline
> file sharing at Baltan Labs http://goo.gl/t3BsEY http://goo.gl/dH9muU
> (with contributions from Matthias) and we've been hanging out ever
> since.
> 
> As Matthias mentioned in his intro, he and I have been working
> together on PirateBox http://piratebox.cc for sometime. We like to
> hack and experiment with various FLOSS systems together.
> 
> I sadly won't be able to physically join you at 31C3 but I could
> possibly make it to Transmediale...though it sounds like the call for
> proposals/sessions is already closed...?
> 
> Anyhow, it's a pleasure to meet ya'll.
> d.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Matthias Strubel
> <Matthias.Strubel@aod-rpg.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody,
> let me introduce myself.
>  
> My Name is Matthias and I'm from Wiesbaden-Germany. Back in the December
2012 I made the decision to stop playing MMORPGs all day long and try to 
support an open source project.
> One month later David Darts came across with the PirateBox project and I
quickly found a point where I can do a little bit coding..
> ... over the years it turned out I'm now the lead developer of these 
tiny boxes and I support Jason Griffey in his LibraryBox movement.
>  
> Since the intensive work on the PirateBox I'm interested in mesh 
networking and I'm curious about all the new offline-Network movements 
with or w ithout P irateBox-background.
> In the year 2012 I became a freelancer to have more time to work on such
projects and I had the pleasure to develop the OFFLINEART  box for Aram :)
>  
> I learned application development, and now my daily topics is about 
mainframe/application integration using a special middleware software... 
and the most issues are on OSI-Layer 8 
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model) -- the human interaction.I gained
a lot of technical background over the years on job what you should try to
avoid or do for fault tolerant networks on application side :)
>  
> I have no detailed plan or idea about the off networks.
> There is a big social impact, if we hit the right time, place and topic 
... I al ready know  from ppl using this to circumve nt censorship in 
problematic. I hope, after we initialized the project, the movements 
attracts interested developers and UI designers that the single projects 
doesn't end up in <5 Person projects... and hopefully we trust in each 
other that we support us in UX, development or idea exchanges.
>  
> best regards
> Matthias
>  
>  
> On 12/01/2014 02:45 PM, panayotis antoni adis wrote:
>  
> Hi again!
>  
> I thought that it wou ld be ni ce to have a "thread" where
> new and old members could introduce them selves (as
> Addie just did :-).
>  
> For those that just subscribed, I have pasted below some
> self introductions from the email exchange before the list
> to get an idea on who is already around (since there is no
> way to check the membership other than the archives:
> http://librelist.com/browser/off.networks/)
>  
> So, I would encourage everyone to write a few words about
> their perspective on offline networks, their aspirations, plans,
> etc. This will help us also to write the manifesto :-)
>  
> By the way, I have added some comments on our brainstorming
> document: https://lite2.framapad.org/p/Offline_Networks_Manifesto
>  
> We also need a twitter hashtag and an email list description!
> (but this should go to another thread :-)