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autoresponder on the raindrops list

From:
Eric Wong
Date:
2011-08-02 @ 22:09
It looks like the subscriber went on vacation, but his autoresponder
isn't setup correctly and responds to every single message posted
to the "raindrops" list so far...

Subscriber is: fernando.jr@edinumen.es

Is bounce detection supposed to check/notice this?

-- 
Eric Wong

Re: autoresponder on the raindrops list

From:
Zed A. Shaw
Date:
2011-08-02 @ 23:25
On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 03:09:30PM -0700, Eric Wong wrote:
> It looks like the subscriber went on vacation, but his autoresponder
> isn't setup correctly and responds to every single message posted
> to the "raindrops" list so far...
> 
> Subscriber is: fernando.jr@edinumen.es
> 
> Is bounce detection supposed to check/notice this?

Done.  He's blocked now, and I'll email and say why.

Autoresponders are shit.  There's supposed to be a protocol that lets
you know it's an autoresponder, but Outlook and others never follow it.
I may just say if you say "out of office" then your email is dropped.

-- 
Zed A. Shaw
http://zedshaw.com/

Re: autoresponder on the raindrops list

From:
Mahan, Christopher
Date:
2011-08-02 @ 23:42
> Autoresponders are shit.  There's supposed to be a protocol that lets
> you know it's an autoresponder, but Outlook and others never follow
it.
> I may just say if you say "out of office" then your email is dropped.

"out of office" dropped? I like it!

Chris Mahan

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Re: autoresponder on the raindrops list

From:
Platonides
Date:
2011-08-03 @ 22:42
Mahan, Christopher wrote:
>> Autoresponders are shit.  There's supposed to be a protocol that lets
>> you know it's an autoresponder, but Outlook and others never follow
> it.
>> I may just say if you say "out of office" then your email is dropped.
>
> "out of office" dropped? I like it!
>
> Chris Mahan

That would mean, these thread emails would be dropped.

I would prefer to ask for verification for those mails.
Something like "Your email looks like an autoresponder. If it is not, go 
to http://example.com/not-autoresponder/12345 to unblock its delivery"

Obviously, it would get funny when the autoresponder would reply to that 
reply of the autoresponder of that reply... until filling the account 
quota. They would deserve that (either them or the autoresponder 
authors) but it may be preferable to take the answer as 
"yes-i-am-an-autoresponder" if a reply to that email is received. :)

Re: autoresponder on the raindrops list

From:
Mahan, Christopher
Date:
2011-08-03 @ 22:39
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meta@librelist.org [mailto:meta@librelist.org] On Behalf Of
> Platonides
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 3:42 PM
> To: meta@librelist.org
> Subject: Re: [meta] autoresponder on the raindrops list
> That would mean, these thread emails would be dropped.
> 
> I would prefer to ask for verification for those mails.
> Something like "Your email looks like an autoresponder. If it is not,
> go to http://example.com/not-autoresponder/12345 to unblock its
> delivery"
> 
> Obviously, it would get funny when the autoresponder would reply to
> that reply of the autoresponder of that reply... until filling the
> account quota. They would deserve that (either them or the
> autoresponder
> authors) but it may be preferable to take the answer as "yes-i-am-an-
> autoresponder" if a reply to that email is received. :)

How about if two responses were exactly the same and both included "out
of office", then the second and subsequent ones were dropped? The first
one would be enough.

Chris Mahan

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Re: autoresponder on the raindrops list

From:
Eric Wong
Date:
2011-08-02 @ 23:42
"Zed A. Shaw" <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:
> Done.  He's blocked now, and I'll email and say why.

Thanks Zed!

> Autoresponders are shit.

I completely agree :>

-- 
Eric Wong

Re: autoresponder on the raindrops list

From:
Zed A. Shaw
Date:
2011-08-03 @ 00:11
On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 04:42:28PM -0700, Eric Wong wrote:
> "Zed A. Shaw" <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:
> > Autoresponders are shit.
> 
> I completely agree :>

It's sort of dumb because, all autoresponders are supposed to avoid
replying to mailing list messages.  It's not that hard, since there's
tons of headers that indicate a message comes from a mailing list, but
for some reason they miss it.  It's this way on mailman and other
mailing list software too.

It's just one of those things that only works if the receiver
(autoresponder) does it right, and since they don't we're kind of
screwed.

-- 
Zed A. Shaw
http://zedshaw.com/