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Info about Librelist

Info about Librelist

From:
cool-RR
Date:
2010-05-03 @ 12:07
Hey guys,

I need a little bit of info.

   1. Where is the source code for Librelist?
   2. What is the license for that source code, and where is it stated?
   3. Is there a privacy policy to Librelist?

These things should probably be accessible from the main website, as well as
a "Who are we" page.

Ram.

Re: Info about Librelist

From:
Fred Alger
Date:
2010-05-03 @ 14:53
On May 3, 2010, at 08:07 , cool-RR wrote:

> Hey guys,
> 
> I need a little bit of info.
> Where is the source code for Librelist?
http://support.librelist.com

I just downloaded and started hacking on it myself yesterday after getting
fed up with another botched Mailman install; you'll need Fossil to clone 
the repository, which is linked to from the above link, and a handful of 
Python packages — Lamson, Django, PyStemmer, and South.  Run 'nosetests' 
from the top of the project to make sure you have a complete kit.
> What is the license for that source code, and where is it stated?
That's a really good question, I can't find any specifically stated 
license in the code, or on the main or support sites; Zed will have to 
answer that.
> Is there a privacy policy to Librelist?
> These things should probably be accessible from the main website, as 
well as a "Who are we" page.

Agreed; it took me some hunting to find the source repository in the first
place.  I think the best way to make these things happen is to write the 
content and file tickets on the support site.

It's pretty easy to figure out how a privacy policy should read — "These 
are public lists, with publicly accessible archives.  We don't share lists
of our users with anyone, and we ask that those who copy and publish our 
archives extend the same courtesy."  My sense is that, given the 
completely open and non-moderated nature of Librelist, there will never be
an extensive legal privacy policy since, at this point, Librelist is not a
legal entity.

best,
- Fred Alger.
@: fred@fredalger.net

Re: Info about Librelist

From:
cool-RR
Date:
2010-05-03 @ 23:36
Zed, care to comment?

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Fred Alger <fred@fredalger.net> wrote:

> On May 3, 2010, at 08:07 , cool-RR wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I need a little bit of info.
>
>    1. Where is the source code for Librelist?
>
> http://support.librelist.com
>
> I just downloaded and started hacking on it myself yesterday after getting
> fed up with another botched Mailman install; you'll need Fossil to clone the
> repository, which is linked to from the above link, and a handful of Python
> packages — Lamson, Django, PyStemmer, and South.  Run 'nosetests' from the
> top of the project to make sure you have a complete kit.
>
>
>    1. What is the license for that source code, and where is it stated?
>
> That's a really good question, I can't find any specifically stated license
> in the code, or on the main or support sites; Zed will have to answer that.
>
>
>    1. Is there a privacy policy to Librelist?
>
> These things should probably be accessible from the main website, as well
> as a "Who are we" page.
>
>
> Agreed; it took me some hunting to find the source repository in the first
> place.  I think the best way to make these things happen is to write the
> content and file tickets on the support site.
>
> It's pretty easy to figure out how a privacy policy should read — "These
> are public lists, with publicly accessible archives.  We don't share lists
> of our users with anyone, and we ask that those who copy and publish our
> archives extend the same courtesy."  My sense is that, given the completely
> open and non-moderated nature of Librelist, there will never be an extensive
> legal privacy policy since, at this point, Librelist is not a legal entity.
>
> best,
> - Fred Alger.
> @: fred@fredalger.net
>
>


-- 
Sincerely,
Ram Rachum

Re: Info about Librelist

From:
Zed A. Shaw
Date:
2010-05-04 @ 00:55
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 02:07:27PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> Hey guys,
> 
> I need a little bit of info.
> 
>    1. Where is the source code for Librelist?

http://support.librelist.com/ including all source, bug tracker, wiki,
etc.

>    2. What is the license for that source code, and where is it stated?

Lamson is GPLv3 so librelist code is GPLv3.

>    3. Is there a privacy policy to Librelist?

The database and logs are never shared.  Archives and lists are fully
open.  If you don't want people to know you are subscribed don't send
email.

> These things should probably be accessible from the main website, as well as
> a "Who are we" page.

Maybe, I'll throw them in the FAQ tonight:

http://librelist.com/faq.html


-- 
Zed A. Shaw
http://zedshaw.com/

Re: Info about Librelist

From:
cool-RR
Date:
2010-05-04 @ 01:25
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:55 AM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 02:07:27PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > I need a little bit of info.
> >
> >    1. Where is the source code for Librelist?
>
> http://support.librelist.com/ including all source, bug tracker, wiki,
> etc.
>

Okay, but there should be an obvious link from the main page. Maybe instead
of "support" call it "support/development"? I was showing this to a few FOSS
people and they couldn't find the source code or the license, so they
concluded it was closed source. (I am currently trying to pacify them :)


> >    2. What is the license for that source code, and where is it stated?
>
> Lamson is GPLv3 so librelist code is GPLv3.

>    3. Is there a privacy policy to Librelist?
>
> The database and logs are never shared.  Archives and lists are fully
> open.  If you don't want people to know you are subscribed don't send
> email.

> These things should probably be accessible from the main website, as well
> as
> > a "Who are we" page.
>
> Maybe, I'll throw them in the FAQ tonight:
>
> http://librelist.com/faq.html
>
> --
> Zed A. Shaw
>

Great, thanks.

Ram.

Re: Info about Librelist

From:
cool-RR
Date:
2010-05-04 @ 01:26
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:25 AM, cool-rr <cool-rr@cool-rr.com> wrote:

> On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:55 AM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 02:07:27PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
>> > Hey guys,
>> >
>> > I need a little bit of info.
>> >
>> >    1. Where is the source code for Librelist?
>>
>> http://support.librelist.com/ including all source, bug tracker, wiki,
>> etc.
>>
>
> Okay, but there should be an obvious link from the main page. Maybe instead
> of "support" call it "support/development"? I was showing this to a few FOSS
> people and they couldn't find the source code or the license, so they
> concluded it was closed source. (I am currently trying to pacify them :)
>
>
>> >    2. What is the license for that source code, and where is it stated?
>>
>> Lamson is GPLv3 so librelist code is GPLv3.
>
> >    3. Is there a privacy policy to Librelist?
>>
>> The database and logs are never shared.  Archives and lists are fully
>> open.  If you don't want people to know you are subscribed don't send
>> email.
>
> > These things should probably be accessible from the main website, as well
>> as
>> > a "Who are we" page.
>>
>> Maybe, I'll throw them in the FAQ tonight:
>>
>> http://librelist.com/faq.html
>>
>> --
>> Zed A. Shaw
>>
>
> Great, thanks.
>
> Ram.
>
>
Also, support.librelist.org currently refers to one of your other sites.

Ram.

Re: Info about Librelist

From:
Zed A. Shaw
Date:
2010-05-04 @ 01:31
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 03:26:33AM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> Also, support.librelist.org currently refers to one of your other sites.

Fixed.  Thanks.

-- 
Zed A. Shaw
http://zedshaw.com/