Re: Proposals for Moderation Strategies
- Mike Dalessio
- 2009-12-07 @ 16:01
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Billy Gray <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Hi Zed,
> I really enjoyed reading the proposals for moderation you posted on your
> blog, and the thought put into them. I rather like Proposal 1 the best
> (where users simply "hate" and rate, and there is a record of their
> behavior), because no one really wants to be a list Moderator General when
> there's actual work to be done. Well, I'm sure some people do, but let's
> leave that aside.
Agreed, Proposal #1 would be my preferred option, for its simplicity and
Also, if I understand correctly, Proposal #1 is a necessary step on the path
to Proposal #3. So, I'd vote to start work on #1, and if people still feel
strongly about #3, well, we're already halfway there.
> Anyway, something stood out to me in Proposal 3:
> > In this model, you would still have the “hate link” on each email, but
> the link wouldn’t bother asking the user what they thought it was. This is
> to prevent a bias in the view of the moderator.
> After I read this, I started wondering whether it is necessary to be as
> guarded about "trolls" on lists as it is necessary to keep spam out.
> Consider how the problem of trolling might be handled with a block or hide
> feature on the part of the unwilling recipient. I'm thinking of this in
> terms of a list I used to be on, a community discussion list, in which two
> trolls were extremely obnoxious and constantly posting, driving members of
> the community away, and generally baiting a stalwart few into responding to
> them. It would very interesting if, instead of "hating" an email, I could
> simply reply back to Lamson, "ignore," and simply not see that person's
> posts anymore, since I consider them garbage and unworthy of reflection.
> Now, obviously there are holes in that, especially since I may end up
> getting responses to The Troll from other people on the lists -- but in that
> case maybe that's not a hole, perhaps there is something to discuss in that
> thread, since other people that I haven't ignored have taken the time to
> provide their thoughts. This strikes me as not only rather democratic, but
> also providing a window of opportunity to reconsider one's regard for
> another's opinion, in case a "hate" judgement is made in haste.
> Treating trolls in the manner greatly reduces the complexity of all three
> moderation strategies, I would think. Not a magic bullet, but perhaps worth
> All my best,
> Billy Gray