Hey guys; Judofyr from base C reporting in! I hope you don't mind, but
suddenly I heard some voices, drowning the relaxing crackling from the
campfire, so as a proper scout I felt obliged to check it out.
I see that you've chosen to write the Hackety Hack website in Sinatra,
and I'll have to say that's a very good choice! Good documentation,
big community and great code. What more can you ask for? In the end,
the most important thing when choosing a web framework, is choosing
something you feel safe and productive in. +1 for choosing Sinatra
because you feel it's the best for you and HetyH, and not choosing Camping
because it was created by _why.
------
In many ways, you could look at Camping vs Sinatra as Hpricot vs
Nokogiri. To quote _why:
caller asks, “should i use hpricot or nokogiri?”
if you’re NOT me: use nokogiri.
and if you’re me: well cut it out, stop being me.
Except that with Camping it's not that bad. Without more ado:
#!/usr/bin/ruby
SIX (UNIMPRESSIVE) # Markdown version:
REASONS CAMPING IS BETTER # 1) Download this email
THAN YOU WOULD IMAGINE # 2) ruby email.rb
reasons.push(COMMUNITY) do %%
Yes, Sinatra has a big community, but Camping definitely has a great
community too. Size doesn't always matter. Because there are so few users,
it means every single issue gets full attention.
If you're only looking at the GitHub repo or ruby.reddit.com, Camping
might seem a little dead, but that's because everything happens on the
mailing lists so it's not always visible from the "outside". (And other
times, we're simply restin', just waiting for a question, suggestion or
comment.)
Besides, I don't allow Camping to disappear. Not because I need it in my
business or something like that, but because the code is so fucking great.
I simply won't allow it to die. Therefore I will *always* do my best to
help people who are camping (just ask Eric Mill on this mailing list).
%%%%% end
reasons.push(UNPOLLUTED) do %%
In Sinatra it's a norm (whether you use Sinatra::Base or not), in Camping
it's the law:
Camping.goes :Blog
module Blog; end
Camping.goes :Wiki
module Wiki; end
Every application lives under its own namespace. Yes, it requires a few
more characters, but when you think about it, why *should* we allow are
apps to run directly under the global namespace? That's surely not how we
design our other Ruby code. What makes it so different? Shouldn't you for
instance be able to `require "app"` and `include App::Helpers` somewhere
else?
Think of the environment; reduce your pollution!
%%%%% end
reasons.push(RESTful) do %%
A central idea in REST is the concept of a resource, and that you can call
methods on the resource (in order to get a representation of it). How would
you apply these ideas in Ruby? What about this?
class Posts
def get; end
def post; end
end
I would say this fits the description perfectly. You can instantiate
instances of this class (with different parameters etc.) for each request,
and then call methods on it. Guess how it looks in Camping?
module App::Controllers
class Posts
def get; end
def post; end
end
end
The best part: Camping doesn't care if you use GET, DELETE, PROPFIND or
HELLOWORD; every method is threated equally. One of the early ideas of HTTP
was that you could easily extend it with your own methods for your own
needs, and Camping is a perfect match for these cases!
%%%%% end
reasons.push(RUBY) do %%
Ruby has wonderful features such as classes, inheritance, modules and
methods. Why should every single DSL replace these features by blocks?
Often, all they do is to hide details, without improving anything else than
line count. Let me show you an example:
get '/posts' do
# code
end
Now answer me:
1. Where is this code stored?
2. How do I override the code?
3. What happens if I call `get '/posts'` again?
Not quite sure? Let's have a look at Camping:
module App::Controllers
class Posts
def get
# code
end
end
end
Since this is just "plain" Ruby, it's much simpler:
### 1. Where is this code stored?
The code is stored as a method, and we can easily play with it:
Posts.instance_methods(false) # => [:get]
Posts.instance_method(:get) # => #<UnboundMethod: Posts#get>
# Given post.is_a?(Posts)
post.methods(false) # => [:get]
post.method(:get) # => #<Method: Posts#get>
### 2. How do I override the code?
Just like you would override a method:
class App::Controllers::Posts
def get
# override
end
end
# or, if post.is_a?(Posts)
def post.get
# override
end
### 3. What happens if I call `class Posts` again?
Because Ruby has open classes, we know that it would have no effect at all.
------------
Another advantage of having resources as classes (and not as blocks):
module IUseTheseMethodsALot
def get; end
end
module App::Controllers
class Posts
include IUseTheseMethodsALot
end
class Users
include IUseTheseMethodsALot
end
end
%%%%% end
reasons.push(NAMING) do %q%
In Camping you'll have to give every resouce a name, while in Sinatra
they're always anonymous. By giving resources a name you have a way of
referencing them, which can be very convenient:
post '/issue' do
issue = Issue.create(params[:issue])
redirect "/issue/#{issue.id}/overview"
end
Since every resource is anonymous in Sinatra, you're forced to hard-code
the path. Not very elegant, and it can be a pain to update the code if you
for instance want to move all urls from issue/ to i/. Camping's solution:
class Issue
def post
issue = Issue.create(@input.issue)
redirect R(IssueOverview, issue)
end
end
The R method in Ruby returns the URL to a resource (which takes one
parameter). Camping automatically calls #to_param on the arguments, so you
can safely pass in ActiveRecord objects too. If you want to change the
route to IssueOverview, you can do this in *one* place and you're done.
%%%%% end
reasons.push(RELOADING) do %%
$ camping app.rb
** Starting Mongrel on 0.0.0.0:3301
The Camping Server provides code reloading (so you don't need to restart
the server while you develop your app) that works out of the box on *all*
platforms (including Windows). We actually care about our Windows users!
%%%%% end
''
''
BEGIN {def Object.const_missing(m);m.to_s end;def method_missing(*a)a[1]=
$h.pop if a[1]==$h;$h.push(a) end;$h = [];def reasons; $reas ||= {};end;''
def reasons.push(r,&b);self[r]=b.call;end;END {puts h=$h*' ','='*h.size,''
reasons.each { |name, val| puts name, '-'*name.size, val.gsub(/^ /,''),''
''
}}} # Please keep all my mustaches intact. // Magnus Holm
I hope that every email to this list is as amazing as this one. I have a bit more to say about this topic, but I'm at the airport waiting for a friend right now. More to come! On Jul 19, 2010 9:52 PM, "Magnus Holm" <judofyr@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys; Judofyr from base C reporting in! I hope you don't mind, but > suddenly I heard some voices, drowning the relaxing crackling from the > campfire, so as a proper scout I felt obliged to check it out. > > I see that you've chosen to write the Hackety Hack website in Sinatra, > and I'll have to say that's a very good choice! Good documentation, > big community and great code. What more can you ask for? In the end, > the most important thing when choosing a web framework, is choosing > something you feel safe and productive in. +1 for choosing Sinatra > because you feel it's the best for you and HetyH, and not choosing Camping > because it was created by _why. > > ------ > > In many ways, you could look at Camping vs Sinatra as Hpricot vs > Nokogiri. To quote _why: > > caller asks, “should i use hpricot or nokogiri?” > if you’re NOT me: use nokogiri. > and if you’re me: well cut it out, stop being me. > > Except that with Camping it's not that bad. Without more ado: > > #!/usr/bin/ruby > SIX (UNIMPRESSIVE) # Markdown version: > REASONS CAMPING IS BETTER # 1) Download this email > THAN YOU WOULD IMAGINE # 2) ruby email.rb > > reasons.push(COMMUNITY) do %% > Yes, Sinatra has a big community, but Camping definitely has a great > community too. Size doesn't always matter. Because there are so few users, > it means every single issue gets full attention. > > If you're only looking at the GitHub repo or ruby.reddit.com, Camping > might seem a little dead, but that's because everything happens on the > mailing lists so it's not always visible from the "outside". (And other > times, we're simply restin', just waiting for a question, suggestion or > comment.) > > Besides, I don't allow Camping to disappear. Not because I need it in my > business or something like that, but because the code is so fucking great. > I simply won't allow it to die. Therefore I will *always* do my best to > help people who are camping (just ask Eric Mill on this mailing list). > %%%%% end > > reasons.push(UNPOLLUTED) do %% > In Sinatra it's a norm (whether you use Sinatra::Base or not), in Camping > it's the law: > > Camping.goes :Blog > module Blog; end > > Camping.goes :Wiki > module Wiki; end > > Every application lives under its own namespace. Yes, it requires a few > more characters, but when you think about it, why *should* we allow are > apps to run directly under the global namespace? That's surely not how we > design our other Ruby code. What makes it so different? Shouldn't you for > instance be able to `require "app"` and `include App::Helpers` somewhere > else? > > Think of the environment; reduce your pollution! > %%%%% end > > reasons.push(RESTful) do %% > A central idea in REST is the concept of a resource, and that you can call > methods on the resource (in order to get a representation of it). How would > you apply these ideas in Ruby? What about this? > > class Posts > def get; end > def post; end > end > > I would say this fits the description perfectly. You can instantiate > instances of this class (with different parameters etc.) for each request, > and then call methods on it. Guess how it looks in Camping? > > module App::Controllers > class Posts > def get; end > def post; end > end > end > > The best part: Camping doesn't care if you use GET, DELETE, PROPFIND or > HELLOWORD; every method is threated equally. One of the early ideas of HTTP > was that you could easily extend it with your own methods for your own > needs, and Camping is a perfect match for these cases! > %%%%% end > > reasons.push(RUBY) do %% > Ruby has wonderful features such as classes, inheritance, modules and > methods. Why should every single DSL replace these features by blocks? > Often, all they do is to hide details, without improving anything else than > line count. Let me show you an example: > > get '/posts' do > # code > end > > Now answer me: > > 1. Where is this code stored? > 2. How do I override the code? > 3. What happens if I call `get '/posts'` again? > > Not quite sure? Let's have a look at Camping: > > module App::Controllers > class Posts > def get > # code > end > end > end > > Since this is just "plain" Ruby, it's much simpler: > > ### 1. Where is this code stored? > > The code is stored as a method, and we can easily play with it: > > Posts.instance_methods(false) # => [:get] > Posts.instance_method(:get) # => #<UnboundMethod: Posts#get> > # Given post.is_a?(Posts) > post.methods(false) # => [:get] > post.method(:get) # => #<Method: Posts#get> > > ### 2. How do I override the code? > > Just like you would override a method: > > class App::Controllers::Posts > def get > # override > end > end > > # or, if post.is_a?(Posts) > > def post.get > # override > end > > ### 3. What happens if I call `class Posts` again? > > Because Ruby has open classes, we know that it would have no effect at all. > > ------------ > > Another advantage of having resources as classes (and not as blocks): > > module IUseTheseMethodsALot > def get; end > end > > module App::Controllers > class Posts > include IUseTheseMethodsALot > end > > class Users > include IUseTheseMethodsALot > end > end > %%%%% end > > reasons.push(NAMING) do %q% > In Camping you'll have to give every resouce a name, while in Sinatra > they're always anonymous. By giving resources a name you have a way of > referencing them, which can be very convenient: > > post '/issue' do > issue = Issue.create(params[:issue]) > redirect "/issue/#{issue.id}/overview" > end > > Since every resource is anonymous in Sinatra, you're forced to hard-code > the path. Not very elegant, and it can be a pain to update the code if you > for instance want to move all urls from issue/ to i/. Camping's solution: > > class Issue > def post > issue = Issue.create(@input.issue) > redirect R(IssueOverview, issue) > end > end > > The R method in Ruby returns the URL to a resource (which takes one > parameter). Camping automatically calls #to_param on the arguments, so you > can safely pass in ActiveRecord objects too. If you want to change the > route to IssueOverview, you can do this in *one* place and you're done. > %%%%% end > > reasons.push(RELOADING) do %% > $ camping app.rb > ** Starting Mongrel on 0.0.0.0:3301 > > The Camping Server provides code reloading (so you don't need to restart > the server while you develop your app) that works out of the box on *all* > platforms (including Windows). We actually care about our Windows users! > %%%%% end > '' > '' > BEGIN {def Object.const_missing(m);m.to_s end;def method_missing(*a)a[1]= > $h.pop if a[1]==$h;$h.push(a) end;$h = [];def reasons; $reas ||= {};end;'' > def reasons.push(r,&b);self[r]=b.call;end;END {puts h=$h*' ','='*h.size,'' > reasons.each { |name, val| puts name, '-'*name.size, val.gsub(/^ /,''),'' > '' > }}} # Please keep all my mustaches intact. // Magnus Holm
That, my friend, was an awesome email. Who knows, it might change our position on this :) And it runs, too! (you do have to strip out the part up to #!/usr/bin/ruby, though) On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Magnus Holm <judofyr@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey guys; Judofyr from base C reporting in! I hope you don't mind, but > suddenly I heard some voices, drowning the relaxing crackling from the > campfire, so as a proper scout I felt obliged to check it out. > > I see that you've chosen to write the Hackety Hack website in Sinatra, > and I'll have to say that's a very good choice! Good documentation, > big community and great code. What more can you ask for? In the end, > the most important thing when choosing a web framework, is choosing > something you feel safe and productive in. +1 for choosing Sinatra > because you feel it's the best for you and HetyH, and not choosing Camping > because it was created by _why. > > ------ > > In many ways, you could look at Camping vs Sinatra as Hpricot vs > Nokogiri. To quote _why: > > caller asks, “should i use hpricot or nokogiri?” > if you’re NOT me: use nokogiri. > and if you’re me: well cut it out, stop being me. > > Except that with Camping it's not that bad. Without more ado: > > #!/usr/bin/ruby > SIX (UNIMPRESSIVE) # Markdown version: > REASONS CAMPING IS BETTER # 1) Download this email > THAN YOU WOULD IMAGINE # 2) ruby email.rb > > reasons.push(COMMUNITY) do %% > Yes, Sinatra has a big community, but Camping definitely has a great > community too. Size doesn't always matter. Because there are so few users, > it means every single issue gets full attention. > > If you're only looking at the GitHub repo or ruby.reddit.com, Camping > might seem a little dead, but that's because everything happens on the > mailing lists so it's not always visible from the "outside". (And other > times, we're simply restin', just waiting for a question, suggestion or > comment.) > > Besides, I don't allow Camping to disappear. Not because I need it in my > business or something like that, but because the code is so fucking great. > I simply won't allow it to die. Therefore I will *always* do my best to > help people who are camping (just ask Eric Mill on this mailing list). > %%%%% end > > reasons.push(UNPOLLUTED) do %% > In Sinatra it's a norm (whether you use Sinatra::Base or not), in Camping > it's the law: > > Camping.goes :Blog > module Blog; end > > Camping.goes :Wiki > module Wiki; end > > Every application lives under its own namespace. Yes, it requires a few > more characters, but when you think about it, why *should* we allow are > apps to run directly under the global namespace? That's surely not how we > design our other Ruby code. What makes it so different? Shouldn't you for > instance be able to `require "app"` and `include App::Helpers` somewhere > else? > > Think of the environment; reduce your pollution! > %%%%% end > > reasons.push(RESTful) do %% > A central idea in REST is the concept of a resource, and that you can call > methods on the resource (in order to get a representation of it). How > would > you apply these ideas in Ruby? What about this? > > class Posts > def get; end > def post; end > end > > I would say this fits the description perfectly. You can instantiate > instances of this class (with different parameters etc.) for each request, > and then call methods on it. Guess how it looks in Camping? > > module App::Controllers > class Posts > def get; end > def post; end > end > end > > The best part: Camping doesn't care if you use GET, DELETE, PROPFIND or > HELLOWORD; every method is threated equally. One of the early ideas of > HTTP > was that you could easily extend it with your own methods for your own > needs, and Camping is a perfect match for these cases! > %%%%% end > > reasons.push(RUBY) do %% > Ruby has wonderful features such as classes, inheritance, modules and > methods. Why should every single DSL replace these features by blocks? > Often, all they do is to hide details, without improving anything else > than > line count. Let me show you an example: > > get '/posts' do > # code > end > > Now answer me: > > 1. Where is this code stored? > 2. How do I override the code? > 3. What happens if I call `get '/posts'` again? > > Not quite sure? Let's have a look at Camping: > > module App::Controllers > class Posts > def get > # code > end > end > end > > Since this is just "plain" Ruby, it's much simpler: > > ### 1. Where is this code stored? > > The code is stored as a method, and we can easily play with it: > > Posts.instance_methods(false) # => [:get] > Posts.instance_method(:get) # => #<UnboundMethod: Posts#get> > # Given post.is_a?(Posts) > post.methods(false) # => [:get] > post.method(:get) # => #<Method: Posts#get> > > ### 2. How do I override the code? > > Just like you would override a method: > > class App::Controllers::Posts > def get > # override > end > end > > # or, if post.is_a?(Posts) > > def post.get > # override > end > > ### 3. What happens if I call `class Posts` again? > > Because Ruby has open classes, we know that it would have no effect at > all. > > ------------ > > Another advantage of having resources as classes (and not as blocks): > > module IUseTheseMethodsALot > def get; end > end > > module App::Controllers > class Posts > include IUseTheseMethodsALot > end > > class Users > include IUseTheseMethodsALot > end > end > %%%%% end > > reasons.push(NAMING) do %q% > In Camping you'll have to give every resouce a name, while in Sinatra > they're always anonymous. By giving resources a name you have a way of > referencing them, which can be very convenient: > > post '/issue' do > issue = Issue.create(params[:issue]) > redirect "/issue/#{issue.id}/overview" > end > > Since every resource is anonymous in Sinatra, you're forced to hard-code > the path. Not very elegant, and it can be a pain to update the code if you > for instance want to move all urls from issue/ to i/. Camping's solution: > > class Issue > def post > issue = Issue.create(@input.issue) > redirect R(IssueOverview, issue) > end > end > > The R method in Ruby returns the URL to a resource (which takes one > parameter). Camping automatically calls #to_param on the arguments, so you > can safely pass in ActiveRecord objects too. If you want to change the > route to IssueOverview, you can do this in *one* place and you're done. > %%%%% end > > reasons.push(RELOADING) do %% > $ camping app.rb > ** Starting Mongrel on 0.0.0.0:3301 > > The Camping Server provides code reloading (so you don't need to restart > the server while you develop your app) that works out of the box on *all* > platforms (including Windows). We actually care about our Windows users! > %%%%% end > '' > '' > BEGIN {def Object.const_missing(m);m.to_s end;def method_missing(*a)a[1]= > $h.pop if a[1]==$h;$h.push(a) end;$h = [];def reasons; $reas ||= {};end;'' > def reasons.push(r,&b);self[r]=b.call;end;END {puts h=$h*' ','='*h.size,'' > reasons.each { |name, val| puts name, '-'*name.size, val.gsub(/^ /,''),'' > '' > }}} # Please keep all my mustaches intact. // Magnus Holm > -- ~devyn
Fantastic! I can definitely vouch that Magnus will go to any lengths necessary to help people use Camping, as I said in my earlier email. He's a prince. And code reloading is actually super nice for development, it rankles me that it was removed from Sinatra and replaced by shotgun, which is slow, especially for static assets. -- Eric On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Devyn Cairns <devyn.cairns@gmail.com>wrote: > That, my friend, was an awesome email. Who knows, it might change our > position on this :) > > And it runs, too! (you do have to strip out the part up to #!/usr/bin/ruby, > though) > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Magnus Holm <judofyr@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey guys; Judofyr from base C reporting in! I hope you don't mind, but >> suddenly I heard some voices, drowning the relaxing crackling from the >> campfire, so as a proper scout I felt obliged to check it out. >> >> I see that you've chosen to write the Hackety Hack website in Sinatra, >> and I'll have to say that's a very good choice! Good documentation, >> big community and great code. What more can you ask for? In the end, >> the most important thing when choosing a web framework, is choosing >> something you feel safe and productive in. +1 for choosing Sinatra >> because you feel it's the best for you and HetyH, and not choosing Camping >> because it was created by _why. >> >> ------ >> >> In many ways, you could look at Camping vs Sinatra as Hpricot vs >> Nokogiri. To quote _why: >> >> caller asks, “should i use hpricot or nokogiri?” >> if you’re NOT me: use nokogiri. >> and if you’re me: well cut it out, stop being me. >> >> Except that with Camping it's not that bad. Without more ado: >> >> #!/usr/bin/ruby >> SIX (UNIMPRESSIVE) # Markdown version: >> REASONS CAMPING IS BETTER # 1) Download this email >> THAN YOU WOULD IMAGINE # 2) ruby email.rb >> >> reasons.push(COMMUNITY) do %% >> Yes, Sinatra has a big community, but Camping definitely has a great >> community too. Size doesn't always matter. Because there are so few >> users, >> it means every single issue gets full attention. >> >> If you're only looking at the GitHub repo or ruby.reddit.com, Camping >> might seem a little dead, but that's because everything happens on the >> mailing lists so it's not always visible from the "outside". (And other >> times, we're simply restin', just waiting for a question, suggestion or >> comment.) >> >> Besides, I don't allow Camping to disappear. Not because I need it in my >> business or something like that, but because the code is so fucking >> great. >> I simply won't allow it to die. Therefore I will *always* do my best to >> help people who are camping (just ask Eric Mill on this mailing list). >> %%%%% end >> >> reasons.push(UNPOLLUTED) do %% >> In Sinatra it's a norm (whether you use Sinatra::Base or not), in Camping >> it's the law: >> >> Camping.goes :Blog >> module Blog; end >> >> Camping.goes :Wiki >> module Wiki; end >> >> Every application lives under its own namespace. Yes, it requires a few >> more characters, but when you think about it, why *should* we allow are >> apps to run directly under the global namespace? That's surely not how we >> design our other Ruby code. What makes it so different? Shouldn't you for >> instance be able to `require "app"` and `include App::Helpers` somewhere >> else? >> >> Think of the environment; reduce your pollution! >> %%%%% end >> >> reasons.push(RESTful) do %% >> A central idea in REST is the concept of a resource, and that you can >> call >> methods on the resource (in order to get a representation of it). How >> would >> you apply these ideas in Ruby? What about this? >> >> class Posts >> def get; end >> def post; end >> end >> >> I would say this fits the description perfectly. You can instantiate >> instances of this class (with different parameters etc.) for each >> request, >> and then call methods on it. Guess how it looks in Camping? >> >> module App::Controllers >> class Posts >> def get; end >> def post; end >> end >> end >> >> The best part: Camping doesn't care if you use GET, DELETE, PROPFIND or >> HELLOWORD; every method is threated equally. One of the early ideas of >> HTTP >> was that you could easily extend it with your own methods for your own >> needs, and Camping is a perfect match for these cases! >> %%%%% end >> >> reasons.push(RUBY) do %% >> Ruby has wonderful features such as classes, inheritance, modules and >> methods. Why should every single DSL replace these features by blocks? >> Often, all they do is to hide details, without improving anything else >> than >> line count. Let me show you an example: >> >> get '/posts' do >> # code >> end >> >> Now answer me: >> >> 1. Where is this code stored? >> 2. How do I override the code? >> 3. What happens if I call `get '/posts'` again? >> >> Not quite sure? Let's have a look at Camping: >> >> module App::Controllers >> class Posts >> def get >> # code >> end >> end >> end >> >> Since this is just "plain" Ruby, it's much simpler: >> >> ### 1. Where is this code stored? >> >> The code is stored as a method, and we can easily play with it: >> >> Posts.instance_methods(false) # => [:get] >> Posts.instance_method(:get) # => #<UnboundMethod: Posts#get> >> # Given post.is_a?(Posts) >> post.methods(false) # => [:get] >> post.method(:get) # => #<Method: Posts#get> >> >> ### 2. How do I override the code? >> >> Just like you would override a method: >> >> class App::Controllers::Posts >> def get >> # override >> end >> end >> >> # or, if post.is_a?(Posts) >> >> def post.get >> # override >> end >> >> ### 3. What happens if I call `class Posts` again? >> >> Because Ruby has open classes, we know that it would have no effect at >> all. >> >> ------------ >> >> Another advantage of having resources as classes (and not as blocks): >> >> module IUseTheseMethodsALot >> def get; end >> end >> >> module App::Controllers >> class Posts >> include IUseTheseMethodsALot >> end >> >> class Users >> include IUseTheseMethodsALot >> end >> end >> %%%%% end >> >> reasons.push(NAMING) do %q% >> In Camping you'll have to give every resouce a name, while in Sinatra >> they're always anonymous. By giving resources a name you have a way of >> referencing them, which can be very convenient: >> >> post '/issue' do >> issue = Issue.create(params[:issue]) >> redirect "/issue/#{issue.id}/overview" >> end >> >> Since every resource is anonymous in Sinatra, you're forced to hard-code >> the path. Not very elegant, and it can be a pain to update the code if >> you >> for instance want to move all urls from issue/ to i/. Camping's solution: >> >> class Issue >> def post >> issue = Issue.create(@input.issue) >> redirect R(IssueOverview, issue) >> end >> end >> >> The R method in Ruby returns the URL to a resource (which takes one >> parameter). Camping automatically calls #to_param on the arguments, so >> you >> can safely pass in ActiveRecord objects too. If you want to change the >> route to IssueOverview, you can do this in *one* place and you're done. >> %%%%% end >> >> reasons.push(RELOADING) do %% >> $ camping app.rb >> ** Starting Mongrel on 0.0.0.0:3301 >> >> The Camping Server provides code reloading (so you don't need to restart >> the server while you develop your app) that works out of the box on *all* >> platforms (including Windows). We actually care about our Windows users! >> %%%%% end >> '' >> '' >> BEGIN {def Object.const_missing(m);m.to_s end;def method_missing(*a)a[1]= >> $h.pop if a[1]==$h;$h.push(a) end;$h = [];def reasons; $reas ||= {};end;'' >> def reasons.push(r,&b);self[r]=b.call;end;END {puts h=$h*' ','='*h.size,'' >> reasons.each { |name, val| puts name, '-'*name.size, val.gsub(/^ /,''),'' >> '' >> }}} # Please keep all my mustaches intact. // Magnus Holm >> > > > > -- > ~devyn >