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mailinglist- and Friendica privacy-howtos

From:
lunak
Date:
2013-01-26 @ 13:43
Hello to the Friendica Folks!

"Hi,
You are now subscribed to the friendica mailing list, and your
original email has NOT been forwarded to the mailing list.

	YOUR FIRST MAIL WAS DROPPED

Sorry about that, but you'll have to resend that email now that
you're subscribed.
...Thank You,
librelist.com"

As I'm not very familiar with mailing-lists, I waited for a big bulk of 
mails dropping in, many subjects to scope...
Nothing occured that way. ?  Hm. New turn now!

I am investigating on wether or not to set up a Friendica (shared-)server 
to reach some members of family ;) -now beeing clawed by the big FB... 
:==(

As I'm quite a bit paranoic when it comes to  privacy, my first question is:
	am I trackable by Facebook when using Friendica to post/read on FB in the
same way, as if directly using a FB-account?
Or will Friendica be like a gateway in filtering out everything not 
concerning the post itself (by means of hardware, software, location etc. 
used when forwarding/receiving)?
	Secondly asked: do I need a FB-account to reach a person on FB via 
Friendica, or is it done solely by addressing it (in Friendica) with its 
FB-Address?

As you can read - I'm very "unfamiliar" with the howto's, it's me the duck
in social networking thunderstorm...
therefor all hints helping in my understanding of how things work are 
appreciated - TIA!!

  

-- 
d l

Re: [friendica] mailinglist- and Friendica privacy-howtos

From:
Michael Meer
Date:
2013-01-26 @ 20:47
Hello Lunak,

welcome!

You don't get all the history of this mailinglist when you subscribe.
I like the idea that you wanne install a new server.

But you have to understand the different systems and responsibilities.
Friendica is a different system than Facebook.

Facebook is a profit driven joint stock company.
Friendica is a non profit lose bundle of different servers with the 
same free software called friendica.

All admins of these servers have the target of a free decentral social 
network.
The friendica software is developed with privacy aware targets.
There are serveral connectors for import and export of posts, news, 
videos and so on.
But when a post left the friendica network (export), it can't be 
ensured what with this post will happen.
Then it's gone to the wild.

The developer of facebook related stuff have to sign a contract with 
facebook to follow the guidelines of facebook. And facebook is not 
interessted to raise a new competitor.
So the possibility to develop all features, that are requested by 
different users is not possible due to the restrictions of facebook. 
There's always a lot of trouble regarding this connectors.

To use the facebook connector you need an facebook account cause 
facebook wanna track you.

I suggest that when you don't have any experience with mailinglist and 
not even with social networks,
that you create a (test)account on one of the open public server 
http://dir.friendica.com/siteinfo .
There exist some server for testing (for example: 
https://tryfriendica.de/ ), the accounts on these machines are killed 
after some days.
So you can get a feeling and make your first experssions. After this 
you could make the decision to create an account or to setup a own 
server.

To set a own server it would be helpful to have some knowledge in how 
to operate a LAMP-Serer.
Without reading you can't make an effort at this point.

Some more infos about friendica and how to setup a server (next to 
other articles) you may find at the wiki at Github 
https://github.com/friendica/friendica/wiki

kind regards
MicMee

Am 2013-01-26 14:43, schrieb lunak:
> Hello to the Friendica Folks!
>
> "Hi,
> As I'm not very familiar with mailing-lists, I waited for a big bulk
> of mails dropping in, many subjects to scope...
> Nothing occured that way. ? Hm. New turn now!
>
> I am investigating on wether or not to set up a Friendica
> (shared-)server to reach some members of family ;) -now beeing clawed
> by the big FB... :==(
>
> As I'm quite a bit paranoic when it comes to privacy, my first
> question is:
>  am I trackable by Facebook when using Friendica to post/read on FB 
> in
> the same way, as if directly using a FB-account?
> Or will Friendica be like a gateway in filtering out everything not
> concerning the post itself (by means of hardware, software, location
> etc. used when forwarding/receiving)?
>  Secondly asked: do I need a FB-account to reach a person on FB via
> Friendica, or is it done solely by addressing it (in Friendica) with
> its FB-Address?
>
> As you can read - I'm very "unfamiliar" with the howto's, it's me the
> duck in social networking thunderstorm...
> therefor all hints helping in my understanding of how things work are
> appreciated - TIA!!
>
>    

Re: [friendica] mailinglist- and Friendica privacy-howtos

From:
Mike Macgirvin
Date:
2013-01-26 @ 21:35
Apologies for the dropped email - we are new to librelist (as of a few 
short weeks ago) for our mailing list so not totally certain under which 
cases they drop the initial message. It's a much better email platform 
than the previous one (Google Groups) which we left for policy reasons.

For your Facebook specific questions, Friendica has traditionally 
supplied a convenience connector to maintain contact with friends and 
family who use that service. Unfortunately, the Facebook service is not 
open so you must have a Facebook account to use the connector. Since 
this posts via Facebook services using a Facebook account, you should 
probably considered it tainted and unreliable in terms of privacy.

Also Facebook have made recent changes in their terms of service which 
are aimed directly at federated platforms such as Friendica. We can no 
longer provide a two-way bridge without endangering your Facebook 
account. Violations of the Facebook terms of service may result in 
either the loss of the application key and/or loss of your Facebook 
account. This doesn't matter to most of us on the free web, but it might 
matter to you if you feel that Facebook is important to you personally.

We initially wanted to create a web that was free and open, but due to 
paranoia by social providers that people might leave the walled gardens 
(which we knocked down) they have all been mostly rebuilt. The open 
social web will have its day, but not until people lose trust in 
Facebook (enough to actually leave - as many of us have).

I might suggest that you "do the right thing" and delete your Facebook 
account. Then you don't have to worry about their privacy and policy 
issues. Just a suggestion. We know from experience that our friends will 
never leave - as long as all their friends are there. The way to make 
this process begin is to leave. Eventually the herd will realise that 
all their friends left, and start to drift away.