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Season's Greetings and How is your Clojure going?

Season's Greetings and How is your Clojure going?

From:
Sean Corfield
Date:
2013-12-24 @ 21:06
Subject says it all really...

The IRC channel went ghostly quiet so I stopped signing in and there's 
been no mailing list traffic for three months... Someone on another IRC 
channel was asking about a community which encouraged learning new stuff 
and I thought of y'all and wondered if we wanted to ramp back up again in 
the new year?

Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/

"Perfection is the enemy of the good."
-- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880)


Re: [foray] Season's Greetings and How is your Clojure going?

From:
Sean Chalmers
Date:
2013-12-25 @ 11:04
Well wishes and good tidings for all ! :)

To be honest I had completely forgotten we had an IRC channel. :( 

I'm certainly keen to ramp things up again in the new year, everyone here 
is so helpful and friendly. I'd love to be able to extend that to new and 
other Clojurians(?).

Also the more Seans we have in a group the better it gets !

:)

Sean Chalmers

Conversations with Weighted Shoulders - http://mankyKitty.github.io

On 24/12/2013, at 10:06 PM, Sean Corfield <sean@corfield.org> wrote:

> Subject says it all really...
> 
> The IRC channel went ghostly quiet so I stopped signing in and there's 
been no mailing list traffic for three months... Someone on another IRC 
channel was asking about a community which encouraged learning new stuff 
and I thought of y'all and wondered if we wanted to ramp back up again in 
the new year?
> 
> Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
> 
> "Perfection is the enemy of the good."
> -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880)
> 
> 
> 

Re: [foray] Season's Greetings and How is your Clojure going?

From:
Adrian Gruntkowski
Date:
2013-12-25 @ 16:47
Hi everyone,

It's the first time I've heard about an IRC channel or my memory is very
blurry (the brief scan of mailing list subjects does not show any
announcement either).

I'm all for reactivating the foray effort - the people were great, the live
discussions and feedback on code assignments was great experience overall
(even though I didn't belong to the most active participants in these).

Maybe a bit more complex project with wider scope would be a good idea.
However that's easier said than done. It must be taken into consideration
that there will be some "fresh blood" (hopefully) - the people who won't be
as up to speed with the subject matter - even in comparison to the people
who paused right after the interest in the previous foray waned. It would
be good to give some serious thought up front to the form/structure of
group's activities in order to not leave anyone behind while, at the same
time, avoid making the more experienced ones weary and uninterested.

Partial solution for that could be starting with some form a series  of
smaller tasks which could be done in pairs. The pair could consist of one
person which has relatively more experience with Clojure than the other
one. From one side there would be a tight learning feedback loop for the
person new to the subject, from another, an opportunity for the more
experienced member to supplement and establish his knowledge. This mode of
operation will surely require more effort and coordination but it may be
worth it. What do you think?

Regards,

Adrian





2013/12/25 Sean Chalmers <sclhiannan@gmail.com>

> Well wishes and good tidings for all ! :)
>
> To be honest I had completely forgotten we had an IRC channel. :(
>
> I'm certainly keen to ramp things up again in the new year, everyone here
> is so helpful and friendly. I'd love to be able to extend that to new and
> other Clojurians(?).
>
> Also the more Seans we have in a group the better it gets !
>
> :)
>
> Sean Chalmers
>
> Conversations with Weighted Shoulders - http://mankyKitty.github.io
>
> On 24/12/2013, at 10:06 PM, Sean Corfield <sean@corfield.org> wrote:
>
> > Subject says it all really...
> >
> > The IRC channel went ghostly quiet so I stopped signing in and there's
> been no mailing list traffic for three months... Someone on another IRC
> channel was asking about a community which encouraged learning new stuff
> and I thought of y'all and wondered if we wanted to ramp back up again in
> the new year?
> >
> > Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
> > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
> >
> > "Perfection is the enemy of the good."
> > -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880)
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [foray] Season's Greetings and How is your Clojure going?

From:
Sean Corfield
Date:
2013-12-25 @ 17:38
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Re: [foray] Season's Greetings and How is your Clojure going?

From:
supernullset
Date:
2013-12-29 @ 14:36
Personally, I am all for pairing, I bought that same book recently.

As for sticking to Clojure, I am fine with sticking with it or trying
something else. Recently I have been working with Julia quite a bit in
my free time.

Either way, I think the central idea of having a project is the way to go.


On 12/25/13, 9:38 AM, Sean Corfield wrote:
> On Dec 25, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Adrian Gruntkowski
> <adrian.gruntkowski@gmail.com <mailto:adrian.gruntkowski@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>> It's the first time I've heard about an IRC channel or my memory is
>> very blurry (the brief scan of mailing list subjects does not show
>> any announcement either).
>
> #probablywrong on freenode.net <http://freenode.net> IRC.
>
>> Partial solution for that could be starting with some form a series 
>> of smaller tasks which could be done in pairs. The pair could consist
>> of one person which has relatively more experience with Clojure than
>> the other one. Fr om one side there would be a tight learning
>> feedback loop for the person new to the subject, from another, an
>> opportunity for the more experienced member to supplement and
>> establish his knowledge. This mode of operation will surely require
>> more effort and coordination but it may be worth it. What do you think?
>
> Pairing is an interesting suggestion. Since we're remote, that has
> some challenges. I just bought this book:
>
> http://pragprog.com/book/jkrp/remote-pairing
>
> and the approach there would work well, if folks are using Vim /
> Emacs. There's also this project:
>
> https://github.com/technomancy/syme
>
> created by Phil Hagelberg (Leiningen).
>
> Pairing is pretty intense and requires coordination, but it could be
> very effect ive.
>
> I think we might also want to discuss whether we want to just stick to
> Clojure or whether we want to have forays into other technologies? The
> Probably Wrong website suggests Clojure will be just one of a series
> of forays...
>
> Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
> "Perfection is the enemy of the good."
> -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880)
>
>
>

Re: [foray] Season's Greetings and How is your Clojure going?

From:
Gary Deer
Date:
2013-12-27 @ 05:22
I almost forgot about the group too.  I started a book club at work for Joy
of Clojure and the participation for that has dwindled as well.  Kinda hard
to keep people interested without a real project.  Got more people
interested when I did our company game jam all in Clojure.  Some people
that didn't even know Clojure was a jvm language were seeing me use a
library that was a thin layer above a java library.  It gave them all hope
that their legacy code could be wrangled with Clojure.




On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Sean Corfield <sean@corfield.org> wrote:

> On Dec 25, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Adrian Gruntkowski <
> adrian.gruntkowski@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's the first time I've heard about an IRC channel or my memory is very
> blurry (the brief scan of mailing list subjects does not show any
> announcement either).
>
>
> #probablywrong on freenode.net IRC.
>
> Partial solution for that could be starting with some form a series  of
> smaller tasks which could be done in pairs. The pair could consist of one
> person which has relatively more experience with Clojure than the other
> one. Fr om one side there would be a tight learning feedback loop for the
> person new to the subject, from another, an opportunity for the more
> experienced member to supplement and establish his knowledge. This mode of
> operation will surely require more effort and coordination but it may be
> worth it. What do you think?
>
>
> Pairing is an interesting suggestion. Since we're remote, that has some
> challenges. I just bought this book:
>
> http://pragprog.com/book/jkrp/remote-pairing
>
> and the approach there would work well, if folks are using Vim / Emacs.
> There's also this project:
>
> https://github.com/technomancy/syme
>
> created by Phil Hagelberg (Leiningen).
>
> Pairing is pretty intense and requires coordination, but it could be very
> effect ive.
>
> I think we might also want to discuss whether we want to just stick to
> Clojure or whether we want to have forays into other technologies? The
> Probably Wrong website suggests Clojure will be just one of a series of
> forays...
>
> Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
> "Perfection is the enemy of the good."
> -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880)
>
>
>
>

Re: [foray] Season's Greetings and How is your Clojure going?

From:
Andrew Myers
Date:
2013-12-24 @ 22:17
Morning Sean,

I have finished reading JoC and got to a point where I am using Clojure
for  selenium tests, however I still don't feel confident enough to do much
more than that with it.

I would welcome a resurgence of this list on the new year and would
definitely be keen to participate.

All the best,
Andrew
On 25/12/2013 8:06 AM, "Sean Corfield" <sean@corfield.org> wrote:

> Subject says it all really...
>
> The IRC channel went ghostly quiet so I stopped signing in and there's
> been no mailing list traffic for three months... Someone on another IRC
> channel was asking about a community which encouraged learning new stuff
> and I thought of y'all and wondered if we wanted to ramp back up again in
> the new year?
>
> Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN
> An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
>
> "Perfection is the enemy of the good."
> -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880)
>
>
>
>

Re: [foray] Season's Greetings and How is your Clojure going?

From:
supernullset
Date:
2013-12-24 @ 22:29
Helllloooooooo everyone! Happy Holidays to those of you who celebrate.

I also finished JOC, and have been dabbling. Dabbling is the
appropriate word as I have pretty much only been looking at toy
problems. Ideally I will come back around and do more work with it as
I have an opportunity to be doing some $DAY_JOB work in a language of
my choice.

If we ramp back up (I would be quite happy/excited to do so), I would
want to do things slightly differently. Perhaps just have a central
git repo with some defined goal, and everyone who wants to contribute
can contribute. Looking back, I think I got the most benefit out of
code reviews and discussion(Shocker.)

If the WPW list wants to look at something different, we could pick up
a different language or topic based on interest.

- Sean the Third.

On 12/24/13, 2:17 PM, Andrew Myers wrote:
> Morning Sean,
> 
> I have finished reading JoC and got to a point where I am using
> Clojure for  selenium tests, however I still don't feel confident
> enough to do much more than that with it.
> 
> I would welcome a resurgence of this list on the new year and
> would definitely be keen to participate.
> 
> All the best, Andrew
> 
> On 25/12/2013 8:06 AM, "Sean Corfield" <sean@corfield.org 
> <mailto:sean@corfield.org>> wrote:
> 
> Subject says it all really...
> 
> The IRC channel went ghostly quiet so I stopped signing in and 
> there's been no mailing list traffic for three months... Someone
> on another IRC channel was asking about a community which
> encouraged learning new stuff and I thought of y'all and wondered
> if we wanted to ramp back up again in the new year?
> 
> Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View --
> http://corfield.org/
> 
> "Perfection is the enemy of the good." -- Gustave Flaubert, French
> realist novelist (1821-1880)
> 
> 
> 

Re: [foray] Season's Greetings and How is your Clojure going?

From:
David Mitchell
Date:
2013-12-24 @ 22:58
Hi all,

I like the idea of a git repo with a defined goal, but I personally think
it should be A Really Big Goal.  The danger of a small goal is that one
person is likely to do 90% of the work very quickly and everyone else gives
up, but if we make it big enough, then that's essentially impossible.  It'd
be nice to take on something big enough that we can actually divide up the
work between people and each do a bit - maybe set a deadline on it so that
we don't sit around waiting for someone to finish their piece.  Don't know
quite how to take on all that, but the overall approach feels right in that
we'd all wind up learning something useful and maybe even contribute
something back to the community at the end of it all.

So... if any of you agree, what's the Really Big Goal?

Regards

Dave M.


On 25 December 2013 09:29, supernullset
<supernullset@wereprobablywrong.com>wrote:

> Helllloooooooo everyone! Happy Holidays to those of you who celebrate.
>
> I also finished JOC, and have been dabbling. Dabbling is the
> appropriate word as I have pretty much only been looking at toy
> problems. Ideally I will come back around and do more work with it as
> I have an opportunity to be doing some $DAY_JOB work in a language of
> my choice.
>
> If we ramp back up (I would be quite happy/excited to do so), I would
> want to do things slightly differently. Perhaps just have a central
> git repo with some defined goal, and everyone who wants to contribute
> can contribute. Looking back, I think I got the most benefit out of
> code reviews and discussion(Shocker.)
>
> If the WPW list wants to look at something different, we could pick up
> a different language or topic based on interest.
>
> - Sean the Third.
>
> On 12/24/13, 2:17 PM, Andrew Myers wrote:
> > Morning Sean,
> >
> > I have finished reading JoC and got to a point where I am using
> > Clojure for  selenium tests, however I still don't feel confident
> > enough to do much more than that with it.
> >
> > I would welcome a resurgence of this list on the new year and
> > would definitely be keen to participate.
> >
> > All the best, Andrew
> >
> > On 25/12/2013 8:06 AM, "Sean Corfield" <sean@corfield.org
> > <mailto:sean@corfield.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Subject says it all really...
> >
> > The IRC channel went ghostly quiet so I stopped signing in and
> > there's been no mailing list traffic for three months... Someone
> > on another IRC channel was asking about a community which
> > encouraged learning new stuff and I thought of y'all and wondered
> > if we wanted to ramp back up again in the new year?
> >
> > Sean Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View --
> > http://corfield.org/
> >
> > "Perfection is the enemy of the good." -- Gustave Flaubert, French
> > realist novelist (1821-1880)
> >
> >
> >
>