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Functional Programming Conference

From:
Ashok Gautham
Date:
2014-06-10 @ 08:23
Hi,

I came across http://functionalconf.com/ while browsing Twitter today 
(More specifically, a discussion between Ramakrishnan and Ravi Mohan. I 
have registered for it already since the early-bird offer was on.

While there is some unrest about "premier" and "first" being in the same 
sentence at the top, I know for a fact that Baishampayan Ghose and 
Venkat Subramaniam are pretty knowledgeable and are good speakers. It is 
also very likely that a pretty sizeable chunk of the local 
lambda-community will turn up there. I don't really expect any 
"research" to be presented like an academic conference. But if community 
building happens, it should be fun.

Are the rest of you registering?

---
Ashok

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 02:40
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014, at 01:53 PM, Ashok Gautham wrote:
> 
> I came across http://functionalconf.com/ while browsing Twitter today 
> (More specifically, a discussion between Ramakrishnan and Ravi Mohan. I 
> have registered for it already since the early-bird offer was on.
> 
> While there is some unrest about "premier" and "first" being in the same 
> sentence at the top, I know for a fact that Baishampayan Ghose and 
> Venkat Subramaniam are pretty knowledgeable and are good speakers. It is 
> also very likely that a pretty sizeable chunk of the local 
> lambda-community will turn up there. I don't really expect any 
> "research" to be presented like an academic conference. But if community 
> building happens, it should be fun.
> 
> Are the rest of you registering?

I plan to register but frankly I have low expectations (after having
been to some other language conferences in India). Let us see.. I also
feel that the conference fee is too expensive (at least for me). Sorry
for being cynical, but the money I pay for the conference registration
can me "Introduction to Functional Programming using Haskell" by Bird
and Wadler, the best intro to FP ever!

Since we are on the topic of conferences:
There is also a GopherCon India announced. It seems like some companies
in Bangalore are actually using Golang. Again, I am a bit turned off by
this conference as well, the twitter account is being used to spread
information not related to the conference. There is also PyCon, probably
the best conference in India (by programmers for programmers), totally
driven by the volunteers in various Python programming groups across
India.

There is also Strangeloop (and LambdaJam) coming up in the US. From what
I have heard earlier and from the videos, those are very nice and
overall balanced conferences, though not always about PLs.

-- 
  Ramakrishnan

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Ashok Gautham
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 06:07
On Wednesday 11 June 2014 08:10 AM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote:
> I plan to register but frankly I have low expectations (after having
> been to some other language conferences in India). Let us see.. I also
> feel that the conference fee is too expensive (at least for me).Sorry
> for being cynical, but the money I pay for the conference registration
> can me "Introduction to Functional Programming using Haskell" by Bird
> and Wadler, the best intro to FP ever!

The conference charges are not that high (well, it does tend to become 
much higher, but the early-bird offer is pretty well-priced. I paid 
4475/- for it (4000 for the registration and 475 was some tax/charges.

> Since we are on the topic of conferences:
> There is also a GopherCon India announced. It seems like some companies
> in Bangalore are actually using Golang. Again, I am a bit turned off by
> this conference as well, the twitter account is being used to spread
> information not related to the conference.

That is true, Jaseem Abid was asking the Twitter handle of GopherCon who 
were the people organizing the conference. The reply was super generic. 
It was almost like they did not want to know who was a part of it (The 
Borg Collective). It made it very impersonal and I am not planning to 
attend.

> There is also PyCon, probably
> the best conference in India (by programmers for programmers), totally
> driven by the volunteers in various Python programming groups across
> India.

I have heard that PyCon is excellent as well. But for languages like 
Python and Golang, I don't feel like attending a conference :-/ That is 
just me.

>
> There is also Strangeloop (and LambdaJam) coming up in the US. From what
> I have heard earlier and from the videos, those are very nice and
> overall balanced conferences, though not always about PLs.

Those are truly fantastic. For those who haven't checked out the videos yet

http://www.infoq.com/strange_loop
and
http://www.infoq.com/lambda-jam/

I don't know how GardenCity Ruby went. There are several people in 
common between that and FunctionalConf.

---
Ashok
>

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 06:42
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Ashok Gautham wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 June 2014 08:10 AM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote:
> > I plan to register but frankly I have low expectations (after having
> > been to some other language conferences in India). Let us see.. I also
> > feel that the conference fee is too expensive (at least for me).Sorry
> > for being cynical, but the money I pay for the conference registration
> > can me "Introduction to Functional Programming using Haskell" by Bird
> > and Wadler, the best intro to FP ever!
> 
> The conference charges are not that high (well, it does tend to become 
> much higher, but the early-bird offer is pretty well-priced. I paid 
> 4475/- for it (4000 for the registration and 475 was some tax/charges.

Yes, I paid so much as well (registered this morning). I have never paid
so much for a conference in India, this is the highest I ever paid. I
think PyCon charges ~Rs.2000?

> > Since we are on the topic of conferences:
> > There is also a GopherCon India announced. It seems like some companies
> > in Bangalore are actually using Golang. Again, I am a bit turned off by
> > this conference as well, the twitter account is being used to spread
> > information not related to the conference.
> 
> That is true, Jaseem Abid was asking the Twitter handle of GopherCon who 
> were the people organizing the conference. The reply was super generic. 
> It was almost like they did not want to know who was a part of it (The 
> Borg Collective). It made it very impersonal and I am not planning to 
> attend.

I unfollowed the twitter handle and haven't registered. 

> > There is also PyCon, probably
> > the best conference in India (by programmers for programmers), totally
> > driven by the volunteers in various Python programming groups across
> > India.
> 
> I have heard that PyCon is excellent as well. But for languages like 
> Python and Golang, I don't feel like attending a conference :-/ That is 
> just me.

The folks behind PyCon are all round nice people who care for the
community and language. Past editions have been very nice, especially
the hallway track. That's the only reason why I registered this time as
well.

I am not hoping to learn anything from a 2-day FP conference either!
Unless Wadler or Steele are themselves presenting. I see that some of
the organizing folks are trainers who follow the "agile ideology",
something that I don't subscribe to. Perhaps their intention is to get
some traffic into their websites. 

Anyway.. all in all, I have very less expectations.

-- 
  Ramakrishnan

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Thomas Elam
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 07:14
More than an ideology, it's a manifesto.
See if you don't think its main points <http://agilemanifesto.org/> are
great:

Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
Working software over comprehensive documentation
Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
Responding to change over following a plan.

It's not that they avoid the parts at the ends of these clauses.
It's just that they try to reset the culture more towards
things that work best. FP should be about these agile
approaches, to a great extent, right? There are
principles of good software development that are well
embodied in FP. Thus, FP makes s/w dev easier.

Tom
Mobile: +91 9845222813


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan <
ram@rkrishnan.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Ashok Gautham wrote:
> > On Wednesday 11 June 2014 08:10 AM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote:
> > > I plan to register but frankly I have low expectations (after having
> > > been to some other language conferences in India). Let us see.. I also
> > > feel that the conference fee is too expensive (at least for me).Sorry
> > > for being cynical, but the money I pay for the conference registration
> > > can me "Introduction to Functional Programming using Haskell" by Bird
> > > and Wadler, the best intro to FP ever!
> >
> > The conference charges are not that high (well, it does tend to become
> > much higher, but the early-bird offer is pretty well-priced. I paid
> > 4475/- for it (4000 for the registration and 475 was some tax/charges.
>
> Yes, I paid so much as well (registered this morning). I have never paid
> so much for a conference in India, this is the highest I ever paid. I
> think PyCon charges ~Rs.2000?
>
> > > Since we are on the topic of conferences:
> > > There is also a GopherCon India announced. It seems like some companies
> > > in Bangalore are actually using Golang. Again, I am a bit turned off by
> > > this conference as well, the twitter account is being used to spread
> > > information not related to the conference.
> >
> > That is true, Jaseem Abid was asking the Twitter handle of GopherCon who
> > were the people organizing the conference. The reply was super generic.
> > It was almost like they did not want to know who was a part of it (The
> > Borg Collective). It made it very impersonal and I am not planning to
> > attend.
>
> I unfollowed the twitter handle and haven't registered.
>
> > > There is also PyCon, probably
> > > the best conference in India (by programmers for programmers), totally
> > > driven by the volunteers in various Python programming groups across
> > > India.
> >
> > I have heard that PyCon is excellent as well. But for languages like
> > Python and Golang, I don't feel like attending a conference :-/ That is
> > just me.
>
> The folks behind PyCon are all round nice people who care for the
> community and language. Past editions have been very nice, especially
> the hallway track. That's the only reason why I registered this time as
> well.
>
> I am not hoping to learn anything from a 2-day FP conference either!
> Unless Wadler or Steele are themselves presenting. I see that some of
> the organizing folks are trainers who follow the "agile ideology",
> something that I don't subscribe to. Perhaps their intention is to get
> some traffic into their websites.
>
> Anyway.. all in all, I have very less expectations.
>
> --
>   Ramakrishnan
>

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 08:12
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Thomas Elam wrote:

More than an ideology, it's a manifesto.
See if you don't think [1]its main points are great:

Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
Working software over comprehensive documentation
Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
Responding to change over following a plan.

It's not that they avoid the parts at the ends of these clauses.
It's just that they try to reset the culture more towards
things that work best. FP should be about these agile
approaches, to a great extent, right? There are



How? FP is a way to think about and solve problems, types are
invariants, Agile is a process. They are entirely different things,
IMHO. Comparing them to one another is like comparing Apples to Lemons.



When I program in Haskell, my definition of TDD is type driven
development which enables advanced tools like QuickCheck. For those
languages that lack good type systems, perhaps a process makes sense to
enable a way of developing software with less errors like test driven
dev.



principles of good software development that are well
embodied in FP. Thus, FP makes s/w dev easier.


Tom
Mobile: +91 9845222813


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
<[2]ram@rkrishnan.org> wrote:

On Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Ashok Gautham wrote:

> On Wednesday 11 June 2014 08:10 AM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote:

> > I plan to register but frankly I have low expectations (after
having

> > been to some other language conferences in India). Let us see.. I
also

> > feel that the conference fee is too expensive (at least for
me).Sorry

> > for being cynical, but the money I pay for the conference
registration

> > can me "Introduction to Functional Programming using Haskell" by
Bird

> > and Wadler, the best intro to FP ever!

>

> The conference charges are not that high (well, it does tend to
become

> much higher, but the early-bird offer is pretty well-priced. I paid

> 4475/- for it (4000 for the registration and 475 was some
tax/charges.



Yes, I paid so much as well (registered this morning). I have never
paid

so much for a conference in India, this is the highest I ever paid. I

think PyCon charges ~Rs.2000?



> > Since we are on the topic of conferences:

> > There is also a GopherCon India announced. It seems like some
companies

> > in Bangalore are actually using Golang. Again, I am a bit turned
off by

> > this conference as well, the twitter account is being used to
spread

> > information not related to the conference.

>

> That is true, Jaseem Abid was asking the Twitter handle of GopherCon
who

> were the people organizing the conference. The reply was super
generic.

> It was almost like they did not want to know who was a part of it
(The

> Borg Collective). It made it very impersonal and I am not planning to

> attend.



I unfollowed the twitter handle and haven't registered.



> > There is also PyCon, probably

> > the best conference in India (by programmers for programmers),
totally

> > driven by the volunteers in various Python programming groups
across

> > India.

>

> I have heard that PyCon is excellent as well. But for languages like

> Python and Golang, I don't feel like attending a conference :-/ That
is

> just me.



The folks behind PyCon are all round nice people who care for the

community and language. Past editions have been very nice, especially

the hallway track. That's the only reason why I registered this time as

well.



I am not hoping to learn anything from a 2-day FP conference either!

Unless Wadler or Steele are themselves presenting. I see that some of

the organizing folks are trainers who follow the "agile ideology",

something that I don't subscribe to. Perhaps their intention is to get

some traffic into their websites.



Anyway.. all in all, I have very less expectations.



--

  Ramakrishnan




--
Ramakrishnan

References

1. http://agilemanifesto.org/
2. mailto:ram@rkrishnan.org

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Thomas Elam
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 08:38
FP just makes s/w dev more agile, right?
If Haskell types make good s/w dev easier
& faster (in the long run),
s/w dev becomes more agile, right?

Agile is not a methodology; it's a frame
<http://agilescout.com/agile-is-not-a-methodology/>
of mind. <http://agilescout.com/agile-is-not-a-methodology/>

FP is not perfectly orthogonal to agile.
It is a method or tool that can help agile.
When it's not used just for research, it
can help agile a lot.

Anyone else want to jump and save me?



Tom
Mobile: +91 9845222813


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 1:42 PM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan <
ram@rkrishnan.org> wrote:

>  On Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Thomas Elam wrote:
>
> More than an ideology, it's a manifesto.
> See if you don't think its main points <http://agilemanifesto.org/> are
> great:
>
> Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
> Working software over comprehensive documentation
>  Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
>  Responding to change over following a plan.
>
> It's not that they avoid the parts at the ends of these clauses.
> It's just that they try to reset the culture more towards
> things that work best. FP should be about these agile
> approaches, to a great extent, right? There are
>
>
> How? FP is a way to think about and solve problems, types are invariants,
> Agile is a process. They are entirely different things, IMHO. Comparing
> them to one another is like comparing Apples to Lemons.
>
> When I program in Haskell, my definition of TDD is type driven development
> which enables advanced tools like QuickCheck. For those languages that lack
> good type systems, perhaps a process makes sense to enable a way of
> developing software with less errors like test driven dev.
>
>
> principles of good software development that are well
> embodied in FP. Thus, FP makes s/w dev easier.
>
> Tom
>  Mobile: +91 9845222813
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan <
> ram@rkrishnan.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Ashok Gautham wrote:
>  > On Wednesday 11 June 2014 08:10 AM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote:
>  > > I plan to register but frankly I have low expectations (after having
>  > > been to some other language conferences in India). Let us see.. I also
>  > > feel that the conference fee is too expensive (at least for me).Sorry
>  > > for being cynical, but the money I pay for the conference registration
>  > > can me "Introduction to Functional Programming using Haskell" by Bird
>  > > and Wadler, the best intro to FP ever!
>  >
>  > The conference charges are not that high (well, it does tend to become
>  > much higher, but the early-bird offer is pretty well-priced. I paid
>  > 4475/- for it (4000 for the registration and 475 was some tax/charges.
>
>  Yes, I paid so much as well (registered this morning). I have never paid
>  so much for a conference in India, this is the highest I ever paid. I
>  think PyCon charges ~Rs.2000?
>
>  > > Since we are on the topic of conferences:
>  > > There is also a GopherCon India announced. It seems like some
> companies
>  > > in Bangalore are actually using Golang. Again, I am a bit turned off
> by
>  > > this conference as well, the twitter account is being used to spread
>  > > information not related to the conference.
>  >
>  > That is true, Jaseem Abid was asking the Twitter handle of GopherCon who
>  > were the people organizing the conference. The reply was super generic.
>  > It was almost like they did not want to know who was a part of it (The
>  > Borg Collective). It made it very impersonal and I am not planning to
>  > attend.
>
>  I unfollowed the twitter handle and haven't registered.
>
>  > > There is also PyCon, probably
>  > > the best conference in India (by programmers for programmers), totally
>  > > driven by the volunteers in various Python programming groups across
>  > > India.
>  >
>  > I have heard that PyCon is excellent as well. But for languages like
>  > Python and Golang, I don't feel like attending a conference :-/ That is
>  > just me.
>
>  The folks behind PyCon are all round nice people who care for the
>  community and language. Past editions have been very nice, especially
>  the hallway track. That's the only reason why I registered this time as
>  well.
>
>  I am not hoping to learn anything from a 2-day FP conference either!
>  Unless Wadler or Steele are themselves presenting. I see that some of
>  the organizing folks are trainers who follow the "agile ideology",
>  something that I don't subscribe to. Perhaps their intention is to get
>  some traffic into their websites.
>
>  Anyway.. all in all, I have very less expectations.
>
>  --
>    Ramakrishnan
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ramakrishnan
>
>

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 09:25
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 02:08 PM, Thomas Elam wrote:

FP just makes s/w dev more agile, right?
If Haskell types make good s/w dev easier
& faster (in the long run),
s/w dev becomes more agile, right?

[1]Agile is not a methodology; it's a frame
[2]of mind.



Yeah, they say that about religions as well.



There is no substitute for good thinking, selecting/inventing good
algorithms for a job, good program design, upfront or not. As far as I
know, there is no super pill (FP or Agile or whatever) that solves
these problems.



--
Ramakrishnan

References

1. http://agilescout.com/agile-is-not-a-methodology/
2. http://agilescout.com/agile-is-not-a-methodology/

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Thomas Elam
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 13:29
I differ.  Religions say 'if you pray, you'll be saved.'
That's a methodology.  For s/w at least, there's
no silver bullet.  But the 'waterfall method' of s/w
dev (somewhat necessary for a class-hierarchy-
heavy C++ design) doesn't fit well into the
pressurised schedules defined by marketing
departments.  My humble opinion.

Would you agree there's been some progress
in programming languages?  How about the
original FORTRAN?  COBOL?  8048 assembly
language?

If you agree there has been progress, how do
you think it could be extrapolated?


Tom
Mobile: +91 9845222813


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan <
ram@rkrishnan.org> wrote:

>  On Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 02:08 PM, Thomas Elam wrote:
>
> FP just makes s/w dev more agile, right?
> If Haskell types make good s/w dev easier
> & faster (in the long run),
> s/w dev becomes more agile, right?
>
> Agile is not a methodology; it's a frame
> <http://agilescout.com/agile-is-not-a-methodology/>
> of mind. <http://agilescout.com/agile-is-not-a-methodology/>
>
>
> Yeah, they say that about religions as well.
>
> There is no substitute for good thinking, selecting/inventing good
> algorithms for a job, good program design, upfront or not. As far as I
> know, there is no super pill (FP or Agile or whatever) that solves these
> problems.
>
> --
> Ramakrishnan
>
>

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
Date:
2014-06-12 @ 03:11
[This is completely off topic, in my opinion, so this is the last email
on the topic from me on this list. We could continue offline though I
am not inclined to. Total waste of time, in my opinion.]



On Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 06:59 PM, Thomas Elam wrote:

I differ.  Religions say 'if you pray, you'll be saved.'
That's a methodology.  For s/w at least, there's
no silver bullet.  But the 'waterfall method' of s/w
dev (somewhat necessary for a class-hierarchy-
heavy C++ design) doesn't fit well into the
pressurised schedules defined by marketing
departments.  My humble opinion.



Does anyone follow waterfall model anymore? I really don't think so.
Does anyone doing modern product development afford to follow waterfall
model? They will be heavily penalised by the market if they do so.




Would you agree there's been some progress
in programming languages?  How about the
original FORTRAN?  COBOL?  8048 assembly
language?



Of course, did I ever say there has been no progress? IMHO, every
language is a special purpose language. Use it (along with good
algorithms and good overall design) to solve whatever problem you have
at hand! I wouldn't use Haskell to toggle 29th bit of a 32-bit
register, even though it is possible to do it. I would just use C. If I
am writing a compiler, I would not use C, I would rather use SMLNJ or
OCaml or Haskell.



If you agree there has been progress, how do
you think it could be extrapolated?



I don't understand your question.  Let us take it off-list, if you
don't mind.



--
Ramakrishnan

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Thomas Elam
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 07:05
Thanks for the links to the videos, Ashok.

Tom
Mobile: +91 9845222813


On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Ashok Gautham <ScriptDevil@zoho.com>
wrote:

> On Wednesday 11 June 2014 08:10 AM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan wrote:
> > I plan to register but frankly I have low expectations (after having
> > been to some other language conferences in India). Let us see.. I also
> > feel that the conference fee is too expensive (at least for me).Sorry
> > for being cynical, but the money I pay for the conference registration
> > can me "Introduction to Functional Programming using Haskell" by Bird
> > and Wadler, the best intro to FP ever!
>
> The conference charges are not that high (well, it does tend to become
> much higher, but the early-bird offer is pretty well-priced. I paid
> 4475/- for it (4000 for the registration and 475 was some tax/charges.
>
> > Since we are on the topic of conferences:
> > There is also a GopherCon India announced. It seems like some companies
> > in Bangalore are actually using Golang. Again, I am a bit turned off by
> > this conference as well, the twitter account is being used to spread
> > information not related to the conference.
>
> That is true, Jaseem Abid was asking the Twitter handle of GopherCon who
> were the people organizing the conference. The reply was super generic.
> It was almost like they did not want to know who was a part of it (The
> Borg Collective). It made it very impersonal and I am not planning to
> attend.
>
> > There is also PyCon, probably
> > the best conference in India (by programmers for programmers), totally
> > driven by the volunteers in various Python programming groups across
> > India.
>
> I have heard that PyCon is excellent as well. But for languages like
> Python and Golang, I don't feel like attending a conference :-/ That is
> just me.
>
> >
> > There is also Strangeloop (and LambdaJam) coming up in the US. From what
> > I have heard earlier and from the videos, those are very nice and
> > overall balanced conferences, though not always about PLs.
>
> Those are truly fantastic. For those who haven't checked out the videos yet
>
> http://www.infoq.com/strange_loop
> and
> http://www.infoq.com/lambda-jam/
>
> I don't know how GardenCity Ruby went. There are several people in
> common between that and FunctionalConf.
>
> ---
> Ashok
> >
>
>

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Vasudev Kamath
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 04:31
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
<ram@rkrishnan.org> wrote:
> I plan to register but frankly I have low expectations (after having
> been to some other language conferences in India). Let us see.. I also
> feel that the conference fee is too expensive (at least for me). Sorry
> for being cynical, but the money I pay for the conference registration
> can me "Introduction to Functional Programming using Haskell" by Bird
> and Wadler, the best intro to FP ever!

True I also saw this announcement earlier but seeing the price I just
backed off :).

>
> Since we are on the topic of conferences:
> There is also a GopherCon India announced. It seems like some companies
> in Bangalore are actually using Golang. Again, I am a bit turned off by
> this conference as well, the twitter account is being used to spread
> information not related to the conference.

But some good people are going to come for talk and one of them is
Dave Cheney, and regarding twitter account we can try to fix it by
asking them not to tweet something not related to Gophercon. It really
doesn't look good for gophercon handle to twet links and say learn
Ruby, really..

> There is also PyCon, probably
> the best conference in India (by programmers for programmers), totally
> driven by the volunteers in various Python programming groups across
> India.

Only one thing I don't like in Pycon India is its not upto the par to
other pycon's quality of talk is not at all good, most of them will be
introduction talks and tutorial sort of talks even after so many years
of conference. (This was also pointed out by Nick Coglahan who came to
pycon 2012 which even I attended).


-- 

Vasudev Kamath
http://copyninja.info
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Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Thomas Elam
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 05:02
Rs. 3000 doesn't seem that much to me. (That offer ended yesterday.)
Really, there are a lot of expenses. The main thing about conferences
is the person-to-person contact, especially being able to talk
informally with people we would never otherwise be able to, for one
reason or another. Once in awhile we can meet someone who points
out something to us that we missed, or who provides an interesting
counterpoint to our own perspectives.

But I don't think I'll go.

Tom
Mobile: +91 9845222813


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Ashok Gautham <ScriptDevil@zoho.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I came across http://functionalconf.com/ while browsing Twitter today
> (More specifically, a discussion between Ramakrishnan and Ravi Mohan. I
> have registered for it already since the early-bird offer was on.
>
> While there is some unrest about "premier" and "first" being in the same
> sentence at the top, I know for a fact that Baishampayan Ghose and
> Venkat Subramaniam are pretty knowledgeable and are good speakers. It is
> also very likely that a pretty sizeable chunk of the local
> lambda-community will turn up there. I don't really expect any
> "research" to be presented like an academic conference. But if community
> building happens, it should be fun.
>
> Are the rest of you registering?
>
> ---
> Ashok
>
>

Re: [bangalorehaskell] Functional Programming Conference

From:
Ramakrishnan Muthukrishnan
Date:
2014-06-11 @ 05:39
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Thomas Elam wrote:

Rs. 3000 doesn't seem that much to me. (That offer ended yesterday.)
Really, there are a lot of expenses. The main thing about conferences
is the person-to-person contact, especially being able to talk
informally with people we would never otherwise be able to, for one



Yes, I agree. I decided to register precisely for this reason.



--
Ramakrishnan