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Poll: non-tactile modifiers

Poll: non-tactile modifiers

From:
Phil Hagelberg
Date:
2015-01-02 @ 21:54
Hello folks.

I've been shipping and building Atreus kits with Cherry MX red switches
on the modifiers for a while now. My reasoning is that normal keys
benefit from a tactile response in that it's good to have some feedback
telling you at what point the switch actuates, but modifiers are always
held all the way down, so they don't benefit from this. On Atreus boards
they use a linear (non-tactile) switch so you can instantly tell whether
the key you're hitting is a modifier or a regular key.

However, I'm interested in others' opinions about this, so I'd like to
run a poll. Choose all that apply:

- Linear modifiers helped me learn the layout more quickly

- I don't care for linear modifiers either way

- Linear modifiers are distracting

- Linear modifiers annoy me because it's harder to remap modifiers to a 
different place

- Other?

thanks!

-Phil

Re: [atreus] Poll: non-tactile modifiers

From:
Markus Fix
Date:
2015-01-03 @ 05:38
I'm used to the Avant Stellar keyboard where all keys have
the same tactile response. Makes it easy to remap or even
rearrange keys. In the end your fine motor control for
your fingers will adapt faster if the tactile response is similar
I find.

-fix

On Saturday, January 3, 2015, Phil Hagelberg <phil@hagelb.org> wrote:

> Hello folks.
>
> I've been shipping and building Atreus kits with Cherry MX red switches
> on the modifiers for a while now. My reasoning is that normal keys
> benefit from a tactile response in that it's good to have some feedback
> telling you at what point the switch actuates, but modifiers are always
> held all the way down, so they don't benefit from this. On Atreus boards
> they use a linear (non-tactile) switch so you can instantly tell whether
> the key you're hitting is a modifier or a regular key.
>
> However, I'm interested in others' opinions about this, so I'd like to
> run a poll. Choose all that apply:
>
> - Linear modifiers helped me learn the layout more quickly
>
> - I don't care for linear modifiers either way
>
> - Linear modifiers are distracting
>
> - Linear modifiers annoy me because it's harder to remap modifiers to a
> different place
>
> - Other?
>
> thanks!
>
> -Phil
>


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Re: [atreus] Poll: non-tactile modifiers

From:
Phil Hagelberg
Date:
2015-01-04 @ 05:30
Markus Fix <lispmeister@gmail.com> writes:

> I'm used to the Avant Stellar keyboard where all keys have
> the same tactile response. Makes it easy to remap or even
> rearrange keys. In the end your fine motor control for
> your fingers will adapt faster if the tactile response is similar
> I find.

So far everyone I've asked this who hadn't tried it yet has thought
they'd hate it, and everyone I've asked who has tried it for a while has
liked it, so I'll be interested in hearing your opinion after you give
it a shot.

I wonder if the solution to the remapping problem might just be
documenting how to swap the stems out without desoldering.

-Phil

Re: [atreus] Poll: non-tactile modifiers

From:
Markus Fix
Date:
2015-01-04 @ 14:10
Phil,

indeed I'm curious and would give it a try.

-fix

On Sunday, January 4, 2015, Phil Hagelberg <phil@hagelb.org> wrote:

> Markus Fix <lispmeister@gmail.com <javascript:;>> writes:
>
> > I'm used to the Avant Stellar keyboard where all keys have
> > the same tactile response. Makes it easy to remap or even
> > rearrange keys. In the end your fine motor control for
> > your fingers will adapt faster if the tactile response is similar
> > I find.
>
> So far everyone I've asked this who hadn't tried it yet has thought
> they'd hate it, and everyone I've asked who has tried it for a while has
> liked it, so I'll be interested in hearing your opinion after you give
> it a shot.
>
> I wonder if the solution to the remapping problem might just be
> documenting how to swap the stems out without desoldering.
>
> -Phil
>


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Re: [atreus] Poll: non-tactile modifiers

From:
Jesse Vincent
Date:
2015-01-02 @ 22:05
On Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Phil Hagelberg <phil@hagelb.org> wrote:

> Hello folks.
>
>
> However, I'm interested in others' opinions about this, so I'd like to
> run a poll.


[For the future, Google Sheets makes this a lot easier for you]


> Choose all that apply:
>
> - Linear modifiers are distracting
>
> - Linear modifiers annoy me because it's harder to remap modifiers to a
> different place


- I don't bottom out all my modifiers. If the primary value you're getting
is that the linear switch identifies a modifier, you'd be better off with a
variant keycap so you can tell _in advance_.

-j

Re: [atreus] Poll: non-tactile modifiers

From:
Doug Cole
Date:
2015-01-02 @ 23:56
>
> However, I'm interested in others' opinions about this, so I'd like to
> run a poll. Choose all that apply:
>
> - Linear modifiers helped me learn the layout more quickly
>
> - Linear modifiers annoy me because it's harder to remap modifiers to a
> different place
>

I agree with both of these, and I'm not sure of an easy solution. I've
definitely changed my layout around a bit so a few keys have linear
switches, despite not being modifier keys, which is odd, but I think after
I settle on a semi permanent layout I'll move the linear switches to the
modifier keys and enjoy having them their.

Doug

Re: [atreus] Poll: non-tactile modifiers

From:
Sean Escriva
Date:
2015-01-03 @ 02:27
On Jan 2, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Doug Cole <dougcole@gmail.com> wrote:

>> However, I'm interested in others' opinions about this, so I'd like to
>> run a poll. Choose all that apply:
>> 
>> - Linear modifiers helped me learn the layout more quickly
>> 
>> - Linear modifiers annoy me because it's harder to remap modifiers to a
different place
> 
> I agree with both of these, and I'm not sure of an easy solution. I've 
definitely changed my layout around a bit so a few keys have linear 
switches, despite not being modifier keys, which is odd, but I think after
I settle on a semi permanent layout I'll move the linear switches to the 
modifier keys and enjoy having them their.

Flexible remapping and consistent key press feel is more important to me, 
so variant keycaps seem a better choice since they're easier to swap on an
assembled keyboard. 

If it doesn't overly complicate kits perhaps linear modifiers could be an 
option the same as alternate colored keycaps?

Sean