Hi, I'm trying to subscribe to geonode@librelist.com without success and wondering what to do about it. History: - sent a mail to geonode@librelist.com - got back a mail asking to confirm by replying - did so, never heard back (no confirmation mail) - tried again to send another mail to geonode@librelist.com, got back nothing - a few hours have passed by Now, the funny thing is that I managed to subscribe to meta just fine. Hmmm... help? :-) Cheers Andrea -- Andrea Aime OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org Expert service straight from the developers.
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 08:22:47PM +0200, Andrea Aime wrote: > Hi, > I'm trying to subscribe to geonode@librelist.com without > success and wondering what to do about it. Oh, also, do not be fancy. Don't CC other people, don't put multiple To addresses. Just do you. Using multiple targets on librelist is kind of like trying to go to three URLs in your browser. Just doesn't make sense. Hit one address at a time, and don't subscribe other people. -- Zed A. Shaw http://zedshaw.com/
Zed A. Shaw ha scritto: > On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 08:22:47PM +0200, Andrea Aime wrote: >> Hi, >> I'm trying to subscribe to geonode@librelist.com without >> success and wondering what to do about it. > > Oh, also, do not be fancy. Don't CC other people, don't put multiple > To addresses. Just do you. Using multiple targets on librelist is kind > of like trying to go to three URLs in your browser. Just doesn't make > sense. All I did was to send an empty mail to the list, with "subscribe" in the subject. No cc's, no anything. Go the confirmation mail and replied, never heard back. Just went through it again, send an empty mail with "subscribe" as a subject (just not to leave it empty) to the mailing list, got the confirmation mail, hit "reply", "send", no modification whatsoever, it's been a few minutes and I still haven't got back anything. For the meta both the first confirmation mails and the mail that aknowleges subscription worked fine and were sent back instantly. Btw, not sure if it's relevant, I'm on Ubuntu 9.10 64 bit and using Thunderbird 2.0.0.24. Not sure what our mail server is. Cheers Andrea PS: also checked the spam folders, they are empty -- Andrea Aime OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org Expert service straight from the developers.
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 09:43:46PM +0200, Andrea Aime wrote: > Zed A. Shaw ha scritto: > All I did was to send an empty mail to the list, with "subscribe" > in the subject. No cc's, no anything. > Go the confirmation mail and replied, never heard back. Sorry, I screwed up your reset. Try it again. Also, email me off list as this might get more involved. zedshaw@zedshaw.com -- Zed A. Shaw http://zedshaw.com/
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 08:22:47PM +0200, Andrea Aime wrote: > Hi, > I'm trying to subscribe to geonode@librelist.com without > success and wondering what to do about it. Well, looks like you subscribed to meta fine, but you have pending confirmations for seb, dwinslow, and geonode that you never replied to. Double check your spam folder and nuke those confirmation messages. I've removed them from pending so you can't use them. Then try to resubscribe, and make sure that your spam filter doesn't catch them or you aren't blocking in another way. Let me know if it works. -- Zed A. Shaw http://zedshaw.com/
Just FYI, I am already subscribed to the list successfully but periodically get confirmation request emails. I believe this is a known issue. Is that happening when I cc other people while emailing the librelist? On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 08:22:47PM +0200, Andrea Aime wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm trying to subscribe to geonode@librelist.com without > > success and wondering what to do about it. > > Well, looks like you subscribed to meta fine, but you have pending > confirmations for seb, dwinslow, and geonode that you never replied to. > > Double check your spam folder and nuke those confirmation messages. > I've removed them from pending so you can't use them. > > Then try to resubscribe, and make sure that your spam filter doesn't > catch them or you aren't blocking in another way. > > Let me know if it works. > > -- > Zed A. Shaw > http://zedshaw.com/ > -- Sebastian Benthall OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 02:31:55PM -0400, Sebastian Benthall wrote: > Just FYI, I am already subscribed to the list successfully but periodically > get confirmation request emails. > > I believe this is a known issue. > > Is that happening when I cc other people while emailing the librelist? Yes, don't CC people. It's a mailing list so it's already CCing for you. Man I gotta fix that. -- Zed A. Shaw http://zedshaw.com/
Ok. I think the use case was wanting to email the mailing list while also cc'ing somebody who was off list. This is a fairly frequent use case for me. There are managers and clients who would like to be notified of the same things that the open source community would like to be notified of, but they aren't necessarily part of the community (which is served by the list) itself. Thanks again for providing and maintaining this service. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 02:31:55PM -0400, Sebastian Benthall wrote: > > Just FYI, I am already subscribed to the list successfully but > periodically > > get confirmation request emails. > > > > I believe this is a known issue. > > > > Is that happening when I cc other people while emailing the librelist? > > Yes, don't CC people. It's a mailing list so it's already CCing for > you. > > Man I gotta fix that. > > -- > Zed A. Shaw > http://zedshaw.com/ > -- Sebastian Benthall OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 02:52:28PM -0400, Sebastian Benthall wrote: > Ok. I think the use case was wanting to email the mailing list while also > cc'ing somebody who was off list. > > This is a fairly frequent use case for me. There are managers and clients > who would like to be notified of the same things that the open source > community would like to be notified of, but they aren't necessarily part of > the community (which is served by the list) itself. The problem is that's also the main usecase for spammers and people who are really annoying on mailing lists. It also leaks these external people to people on the mailing list, probably something you don't want. In a way, it's also rude to these external people. Presumably if they're clients they deserve special attention and not just a blanket CC, so maybe consider a daily wrap-up that you write for them that summarizes the list, with links to key messages from the archives: http://librelist.com/browser/geonode/ For example. Try using BCC and make sure your email client/server gets that right (some just treat it like CC, which is stupid). > Thanks again for providing and maintaining this service. No problem. -- Zed A. Shaw http://zedshaw.com/
> > The problem is that's also the main usecase for spammers and people who > are really annoying on mailing lists. That's interesting. How so? > It also leaks these external > people to people on the mailing list, probably something you don't want. > I'm quite sure that in the situations I'm thinking of, this is not a problem. > In a way, it's also rude to these external people. Presumably if > they're clients they deserve special attention and not just a blanket > CC, so maybe consider a daily wrap-up that you write for them that > summarizes the list, with links to key messages from the archives: > > http://librelist.com/browser/geonode/ > > For example. > Seriously, they aren't that special :) -- Sebastian Benthall OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 03:54:31PM -0400, Sebastian Benthall wrote: > > > > The problem is that's also the main usecase for spammers and people who > > are really annoying on mailing lists. > > >That's interesting. How so? For spam, what they do is they Cc tons of addresses at at time and then mark the message undisclosed recipients in an attempt to trick mail systems in not checking the target. They also just put tons of addresses in To: and Cc: fields looking for a hit. From annoying people, you get lazy people who forward CCed messages to mailing lists without caring if anyone on the list wants it. They also CC multiple lists rather than write to each one, which tends to create "don't cross post" wars. In general, it's perceived as rude by everyone but the people who "own" the list, and since nobody owns a librelist, I just block it. The most important though is spam. The amount of spam is cut down considerably by just blocking multiple recipients messages. -- Zed A. Shaw http://zedshaw.com/
Le 8 juil. 2010 à 22:00, Zed A. Shaw a écrit : > On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 03:54:31PM -0400, Sebastian Benthall wrote: >>> >>> The problem is that's also the main usecase for spammers and people who >>> are really annoying on mailing lists. >> >> >> That's interesting. How so? > > For spam, what they do is they Cc tons of addresses at at time and then > mark the message undisclosed recipients in an attempt to trick mail > systems in not checking the target. They also just put tons of > addresses in To: and Cc: fields looking for a hit. > >> From annoying people, you get lazy people who forward CCed messages to > mailing lists without caring if anyone on the list wants it. They also > CC multiple lists rather than write to each one, which tends to create > "don't cross post" wars. In general, it's perceived as rude by everyone > but the people who "own" the list, and since nobody owns a librelist, I > just block it. > > The most important though is spam. The amount of spam is cut down > considerably by just blocking multiple recipients messages. > > -- > Zed A. Shaw > http://zedshaw.com/ You could perhaps put these rules on the site as they'll probably be asked regularly And they mayare interesting for someone who want to be a moderator on a classic mailing list A.
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 10:11:56PM +0200, Archiloque wrote: > You could perhaps put these rules on the site as they'll probably be > asked regularly > > And they mayare interesting for someone who want to be a moderator on > a classic mailing list Yep, busy busy though. Soon. -- Zed A. Shaw http://zedshaw.com/
Thanks for the explanation. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 03:54:31PM -0400, Sebastian Benthall wrote: > > > > > > The problem is that's also the main usecase for spammers and people who > > > are really annoying on mailing lists. > > > > > >That's interesting. How so? > > For spam, what they do is they Cc tons of addresses at at time and then > mark the message undisclosed recipients in an attempt to trick mail > systems in not checking the target. They also just put tons of > addresses in To: and Cc: fields looking for a hit. > > >From annoying people, you get lazy people who forward CCed messages to > mailing lists without caring if anyone on the list wants it. They also > CC multiple lists rather than write to each one, which tends to create > "don't cross post" wars. In general, it's perceived as rude by everyone > but the people who "own" the list, and since nobody owns a librelist, I > just block it. > > The most important though is spam. The amount of spam is cut down > considerably by just blocking multiple recipients messages. > > -- > Zed A. Shaw > http://zedshaw.com/ > -- Sebastian Benthall OpenGeo - http://opengeo.org