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Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
cool-RR
Date:
2010-06-27 @ 14:16 
Hey,

I think there's some bug here. I'm subscribed to `pythonturtle`, and someone
sent me a message on the list, I replied on the list, he replied off-list,
and then I replied both to him personally and back to the list. Then I got
the following mail, as if I'm not subscribed to the list at all.

Is this a bug? Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks,
Ram.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <pythonturtle-confirm-336b9054270049ffa1aa057e4f7f565a@librelist.org>
Date: Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Subject: Confirmation required
To: cool-RR <cool-rr@cool-rr.com>


Hi,

You (or someone pretending to be you) has asked to subscribe to
pythonturtle, but before I can do that I need you to confirm that you
really want to do this.  I know, I know, you hate having to confirm
everything you do, but if I don't confirm your request, then someone who
hates you can forge your identity.

We wouldn't want that now would we?  Good!


CONFIRM BY REPLYING

If you really did mean pythonturtle, then reply to this message
and I'll do it right away.  I'll send you one more message telling you
when I'm done.

Thank You,

     librelist.com



-- 
Sincerely,
Ram Rachum

Re: Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
Zed A. Shaw
Date:
2010-06-27 @ 16:19 
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 04:16:46PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> I think there's some bug here. I'm subscribed to `pythonturtle`, and someone
> sent me a message on the list, I replied on the list, he replied off-list,
> and then I replied both to him personally and back to the list. Then I got
> the following mail, as if I'm not subscribed to the list at all.
> 
> Is this a bug? Am I doing something wrong?

Did CC the list?  If you CC the list there's a bug that thinks you want
to subscribe.  I need to explicitly block it.

-- 
Zed A. Shaw
http://zedshaw.com/

Re: Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
cool-RR
Date:
2010-06-27 @ 16:26 
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 04:16:46PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > I think there's some bug here. I'm subscribed to `pythonturtle`, and
> someone
> > sent me a message on the list, I replied on the list, he replied
> off-list,
> > and then I replied both to him personally and back to the list. Then I
> got
> > the following mail, as if I'm not subscribed to the list at all.
> >
> > Is this a bug? Am I doing something wrong?
>
> Did CC the list?  If you CC the list there's a bug that thinks you want
> to subscribe.  I need to explicitly block it.
>
> --
> Zed A. Shaw
>

No, the list was in the `to` field and there only.

If it matters, it was the second entry in the `to` field and not the first.


Ram.

Re: Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
Zed A. Shaw
Date:
2010-06-27 @ 17:04 
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 06:26:23PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> No, the list was in the `to` field and there only.
> 
> If it matters, it was the second entry in the `to` field and not the first.

"Second entry" means you CCed the list.  You don't have to put it in the
actual CC to send it to more than one targets.  Basically, don't do
that.  It's both annoying and triggers this bug.

-- 
Zed A. Shaw
http://zedshaw.com/

Re: Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
cool-RR
Date:
2010-06-27 @ 17:08 
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 06:26:23PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> > No, the list was in the `to` field and there only.
> >
> > If it matters, it was the second entry in the `to` field and not the
> first.
>
> "Second entry" means you CCed the list.  You don't have to put it in the
> actual CC to send it to more than one targets.  Basically, don't do
> that.  It's both annoying and triggers this bug.
>
> --
> Zed A. Shaw
>

I am not sure we are talking about the same thing Zed. I put two entries in
the `to` field: The other person and the list, in this order. The `cc` was
empty.


Ram.

>
>

Re: Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
Zed A. Shaw
Date:
2010-06-27 @ 18:05 
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 07:08:56PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:

> I am not sure we are talking about the same thing Zed. I put two entries in
> the `to` field: The other person and the list, in this order. The `cc` was
> empty.

To librelist, this:

To: somelist@librelist.com, otherdude@librelist.com

Is the same as:

To: somelist@librelist.com
Cc: otherdude@librelist.com

Or:

To: otherdude@librelist.com
Cc: somelist@librelist.com

TRANSLATION:

One email message goes to one target and one target only.

TRANSLATION 2:

You can only send to the list, not anyone else can be mentioned in your
emails.  Whether with Cc or To or Bcc or any other possible mechanism of
putting a second recipient.

TRANSLATION 3:

If, upon sending your email, your mail server will deliver said email to
a librelist.com mailing list, and N other idividuals (N being any number
greater than 0 but not equal to 0), then it shall fail because librelist
was Cc or put in the To with one of the N addresses, or placed in the
Bcc.

TRANSLATION 4:

Do not put more than one address, librelist only handles 1 at a time.
Multiple addresses as targets of receiving email make baby jesus cry,
no matter where you place them.


Hopefully that clears things up. :-)

-- 
Zed A. Shaw
http://zedshaw.com/

Re: Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
cool-RR
Date:
2010-06-27 @ 19:45 
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 07:08:56PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I am not sure we are talking about the same thing Zed. I put two entries
> in
> > the `to` field: The other person and the list, in this order. The `cc`
> was
> > empty.
>
> To librelist, this:
>
> To: somelist@librelist.com, otherdude@librelist.com
>
> Is the same as:
>
> To: somelist@librelist.com
> Cc: otherdude@librelist.com
>
> Or:
>
> To: otherdude@librelist.com
> Cc: somelist@librelist.com
>
> TRANSLATION:
>
> One email message goes to one target and one target only.
>
> TRANSLATION 2:
>
> You can only send to the list, not anyone else can be mentioned in your
> emails.  Whether with Cc or To or Bcc or any other possible mechanism of
> putting a second recipient.
>
> TRANSLATION 3:
>
> If, upon sending your email, your mail server will deliver said email to
> a librelist.com mailing list, and N other idividuals (N being any number
> greater than 0 but not equal to 0), then it shall fail because librelist
> was Cc or put in the To with one of the N addresses, or placed in the
> Bcc.
>
> TRANSLATION 4:
>
> Do not put more than one address, librelist only handles 1 at a time.
> Multiple addresses as targets of receiving email make baby jesus cry,
> no matter where you place them.
>
>
> Hopefully that clears things up. :-)
>
> --
> Zed A. Shaw
> http://zedshaw.com/
>

I understand now.

Do you see this as a weakness of Librelist? Because to me it seems like a
weakness or a bug.


Ram.

Re: Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
Zed A. Shaw
Date:
2010-06-27 @ 20:22 
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 09:45:34PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:
>
> I understand now.
> 
> Do you see this as a weakness of Librelist? Because to me it seems like a
> weakness or a bug.

It's a bug in that it doesn't detect this particular edge case.

It's a feature in that it blocks you (and spammers) from blasting tons
of people with emails they don't want on multiple lists.  It basically
enforces the ettiquete that you shouldn't CC lists.  In every case
you're just being lazy.

-- 
Zed A. Shaw
http://zedshaw.com/

Re: Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
Mir Nazim
Date:
2010-06-28 @ 06:33 
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 09:45:34PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:
>>
>> I understand now.
>>
>> Do you see this as a weakness of Librelist? Because to me it seems like a
>> weakness or a bug.
>
> It's a bug in that it doesn't detect this particular edge case.
>
> It's a feature in that it blocks you (and spammers) from blasting tons
> of people with emails they don't want on multiple lists.  It basically
> enforces the ettiquete that you shouldn't CC lists.  In every case
> you're just being lazy.

Agree 100%. This is a blessing in disguise. Nobody likes cross-posters
on mailing lists.

>
> --
> Zed A. Shaw
> http://zedshaw.com/
>

Re: Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
Marcos Germán Guglielmetti
Date:
2010-07-04 @ 03:15 
On Monday 28 June 2010 03:33:58 Mir Nazim wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 09:45:34PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> >> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I understand now.
> >>
> >> Do you see this as a weakness of Librelist? Because to me it seems like
> >> a weakness or a bug.
> >
> > It's a bug in that it doesn't detect this particular edge case.
> >
> > It's a feature in that it blocks you (and spammers) from blasting tons
> > of people with emails they don't want on multiple lists.  It basically
> > enforces the ettiquete that you shouldn't CC lists.  In every case
> > you're just being lazy.
>
> Agree 100%. This is a blessing in disguise. Nobody likes cross-posters
> on mailing lists.
>
> > --
> > Zed A. Shaw
> > http://zedshaw.com/

I like crossposting, it does not annoy me

-- 
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Re: Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
cool-RR
Date:
2010-06-27 @ 20:39 
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 09:45:34PM +0200, cool-RR wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Zed A. Shaw <zedshaw@zedshaw.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I understand now.
> >
> > Do you see this as a weakness of Librelist? Because to me it seems like a
> > weakness or a bug.
>
> It's a bug in that it doesn't detect this particular edge case.
>
> It's a feature in that it blocks you (and spammers) from blasting tons
> of people with emails they don't want on multiple lists.  It basically
> enforces the ettiquete that you shouldn't CC lists.  In every case
> you're just being lazy.
>
> --
> Zed A. Shaw
>

I understand. Thanks for your help Zed.


Ram.

Re: Librelist thinking I'm not subscribed when I am

From:
Graham Ashton
Date:
2010-06-27 @ 14:58 
Something similar happened to me with the nesta list. I think I've got 
both copies of the "subscribe" message, if dates would be useful.

On 27 Jun 2010, at 15:16, cool-RR <cool-rr@cool-rr.com> wrote:

> Hey,
> 
> I think there's some bug here. I'm subscribed to `pythonturtle`, and 
someone sent me a message on the list, I replied on the list, he replied 
off-list, and then I replied both to him personally and back to the list. 
Then I got the following mail, as if I'm not subscribed to the list at 
all.
> 
> Is this a bug? Am I doing something wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ram.

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