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Re: Interesting idea, how's redundancy currently looking?

Re: Interesting idea, how's redundancy currently looking? by Luke S Crawford
- Librelist and stuff by Zed A. Shaw

Re: Interesting idea, how's redundancy currently looking?

From:: Luke S Crawford
Date:: 2009-12-04 @ 22:02


I'm reminded of Usenet back in the day.  (Hey, now, nntp
gateways, that would be a cool idea.)  
 
Anyhow, I find the project somewhat interesting, and 
librelist.com looks like it's running on one of my VPSs, so it
seems like I ought to poke and see.  
 
I think one of the really big problem right now is that 
the younger crowd seems to like web forms, while the older crowd
prefers mailing lists.  To some extent, this is a good thing;  it
keeps those damn kids out of my hair.  On the other hand, we're probably
missing some good people.  
 
But yes, the #1 important thing is permanent, easily searchable archives.  
(I see you have a javascript browser;  do you have something search-engine 
friendly?  that is essential.)  
 
On the 'permanent' note, I'm not much of a dev, but I can help out some
with redundancy/scaling stuff.   prgmr.com has servers in 3 separate
datacenters, so things can be done.  

I'm interested how your community moderation will go.  Personally,
I think of kuro5hin.org when I think of community moderation, which
isn't a particularly pretty picture,  but there are other examples where 
community moderation worked very well. 

It seems to me like the systems you want for regulating trolls might be 
different from the systems you want regulating spam;   you want to
squash spam completely, so that they don't Benoit from any search-engine
linking, but a troll is in the eye of the beholder.  My experience
has been that most user-rated troll filters end up as 'groupthink'
filters.  Try to make a reasoned argument against the us government
passing net neutrality regulation on slashdot, and you will see what I mean.

the troll filter will be hard to do without turning it as bland and 
useless as slashdot, or as vulgar, profane and useless as kuro5hin.org
 
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Librelist and stuff

From:: Zed A. Shaw
Date:: 2009-12-06 @ 04:31

On Fri, Dec 04, 2009 at 05:02:56PM -0500, Luke S Crawford wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm reminded of Usenet back in the day.  (Hey, now, nntp
> gateways, that would be a cool idea.)  

Is usenet still around?  I thought it died with the VAX. :-)

> Anyhow, I find the project somewhat interesting, and 
> librelist.com looks like it's running on one of my VPSs, so it
> seems like I ought to poke and see.  
>

Yep, it is.  prgmr is great BTW.

> I think one of the really big problem right now is that 
> the younger crowd seems to like web forms, while the older crowd
> prefers mailing lists.  To some extent, this is a good thing;  it
> keeps those damn kids out of my hair.  On the other hand, we're probably
> missing some good people.  

That's true, but I think not true for open source contributors.  They
prefer mailing lists, but with HTML archives.

> But yes, the #1 important thing is permanent, easily searchable archives.  
> (I see you have a javascript browser;  do you have something search-engine 
> friendly?  that is essential.)  

Nothing yet, that archive browser is a quick one I did.  One of the
goals though is that mailinglist owners (well anyone) can rsync down a
list and host the archives on their own site.  I think that's actually
way more useful for projects since they then don't have to send people
interested in the project to a totally unrelated site.

> On the 'permanent' note, I'm not much of a dev, but I can help out some
> with redundancy/scaling stuff.   prgmr.com has servers in 3 separate
> datacenters, so things can be done.  

Oh nice, I'll let you know.  Right now the requirements are very thin,
but when it grows I'll ping ya.

I tend to aim for easy and cheap to host solutions. :-)

> I'm interested how your community moderation will go.  Personally,
> I think of kuro5hin.org when I think of community moderation, which
> isn't a particularly pretty picture,  but there are other examples where 
> community moderation worked very well. 

Here ya go:

http://zedshaw.com/blog/2009-12-05.html

-- 
Zed A. Shaw
http://zedshaw.com/