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Re: [kohana] Is anyone actually using this list?

From:

Israel Dacanay Canasa

Date:

2011-03-09 @ 16:15

Maybe it will be more popular if it's a Google Group?
_________________________________________
Israel Dacanay Canasa
Wiz Media, Inc
http://www.wizmediateam.com


On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Woody Gilk
<woody.gilk@kohanaframework.org>wrote:

> This whole mailing list was mostly an experiment to see if people
> would prefer a mailing list to the forums. So far, that does not
> appear to be the case.
> --
> Woody Gilk, Kohana Framework Team Lead
> http://kohanaframework.org/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Adrian Noland <anoland@indigente.net>
> wrote:
> > This the official list, however, as you've observed it's unused.
> >
> > The devs seem to prefer the forums, then IRC (#kohana on freenode), and
> sometimes the bug tracker, dev.kohanaframework.org.
> >
> > The forums will send you an email whenever someone posts to one of your
> "bookmarked" discussions. Almost as good as a mail list.
> >
> > New releases are posted to twitter @kohanaphp
> >
> >
> > On Mar 8, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Vic Demuzere <vic+mailing@demuzere.be>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I think most people are using the forums. But while I like forums, I
> >> tend to forget visiting them, so I like mailing lists more. An
> >> unofficial kohana wiki says that this is the official mailinglist, so
> >> I'm a bit confused.
> >>
> >> Vic
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8 March 2011 23:10, Skyler Kehren <pyrodogg@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Funny enough I've been wondering the same thing. I just signed up for
> this
> >>> list a few days ago and this is the first message that I've received.
>  I'm
> >>> wondering where I can follow Kohana developments more closely,
> especially a
> >>> mailing list.  Are we at the right place?
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Vic Demuzere <vic+mailing@demuzere.be>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm looking for a mailing list for Kohana. This one seems to be dead.
> >>>> Is there a way to receive notifications of new versions by mail?
> >>>>
> >>>> Vic
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>

Or if it's advertised a bit. It isn't mentioned anywhere, except for
that unofficial wiki, as far as I know. I had to use google to find
it.

Vic

On 9 March 2011 17:15, Israel Dacanay Canasa <raeldc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe it will be more popular if it's a Google Group?
> _________________________________________
> Israel Dacanay Canasa

Mailing lists are so last decade.

The forum is what i use mostly!


On 9 Mar 2011, at 16:18, Vic Demuzere wrote:

> Or if it's advertised a bit. It isn't mentioned anywhere, except for
> that unofficial wiki, as far as I know. I had to use google to find
> it.
> 
> Vic
> 
> On 9 March 2011 17:15, Israel Dacanay Canasa <raeldc@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Maybe it will be more popular if it's a Google Group?
>> _________________________________________
>> Israel Dacanay Canasa

Last decade, but mailing lists are push, forums are pull.

Vic



On 9 March 2011 17:20, Dave Carlson <me@davecarlson.co.uk> wrote:
> Mailing lists are so last decade.
>
> The forum is what i use mostly!
>
>

Sounds like github :P
On 9 Mar 2011, at 16:22, Vic Demuzere wrote:

> Last decade, but mailing lists are push, forums are pull.
> 
> Vic
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 March 2011 17:20, Dave Carlson <me@davecarlson.co.uk> wrote:
>> Mailing lists are so last decade.
>> 
>> The forum is what i use mostly!
>> 
>> 

On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:24:27 -0000, Dave Carlson <me@davecarlson.co.uk>  
wrote:

> Sounds like github :P
> On 9 Mar 2011, at 16:22, Vic Demuzere wrote:
>
>> Last decade, but mailing lists are push, forums are pull.
>>
>> Vic
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 March 2011 17:20, Dave Carlson <me@davecarlson.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Mailing lists are so last decade.
>>>
>>> The forum is what i use mostly!
>>>
>>>
>

And forums aren't last decade? Last century, I would say! :)

It's because they're push that I prefer mailing lists, or RSS/Atom feeds.  
Can't be bothered going to a forum regularly, just to see if there's any  
new interesting posts.
-- 
Simon Tite
T: +44 795 221 1920
http://simon.tite.st

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Simon TITE <simon@tite.st> wrote:
>> On 9 Mar 2011, at 16:22, Vic Demuzere wrote:
>>
>>> Last decade, but mailing lists are push, forums are pull.
>>
>
> It's because they're push that I prefer mailing lists, or RSS/Atom feeds.
> Can't be bothered going to a forum regularly, just to see if there's any
> new interesting posts.

What if they were one and the same? Categories matter so little in
Vanilla that the two could probably be synced up. Foolish idea or
legitimate lightbulb?
--
Woody Gilk, Kohana Framework Team Lead
http://kohanaframework.org/

Promote the mailing list more than usual, and put it at Google Groups. Let's
see what happens :).
_________________________________________
Israel Dacanay Canasa
Wiz Media, Inc
http://www.wizmediateam.com


On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Simon TITE <simon@tite.st> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:24:27 -0000, Dave Carlson <me@davecarlson.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like github :P
> > On 9 Mar 2011, at 16:22, Vic Demuzere wrote:
> >
> >> Last decade, but mailing lists are push, forums are pull.
> >>
> >> Vic
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9 March 2011 17:20, Dave Carlson <me@davecarlson.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> Mailing lists are so last decade.
> >>>
> >>> The forum is what i use mostly!
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
> And forums aren't last decade? Last century, I would say! :)
>
> It's because they're push that I prefer mailing lists, or RSS/Atom feeds.
> Can't be bothered going to a forum regularly, just to see if there's any
> new interesting posts.
> --
> Simon Tite
> T: +44 795 221 1920
> http://simon.tite.st
>

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Israel Dacanay Canasa <raeldc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Promote the mailing list more than usual, and put it at Google Groups. Let's
> see what happens :).

We will not be using Google Groups, the amount of spam and general
lack of good management by Google makes it unbearable. For example,
jQuery has completely abandoned it in favor of a forum, see
http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-ui/browse_thread/thread/fc6811f14928aa91#
and http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ for references.
--
Woody Gilk, Kohana Framework Team Lead
http://kohanaframework.org/

This mailing list is fine, people just don't use it, simple as that.

Kind Regards,
-Mathew Davies.

On 9 March 2011 17:49, Woody Gilk <woody.gilk@kohanaframework.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Israel Dacanay Canasa <raeldc@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Promote the mailing list more than usual, and put it at Google Groups.
> Let's
> > see what happens :).
>
> We will not be using Google Groups, the amount of spam and general
> lack of good management by Google makes it unbearable. For example,
> jQuery has completely abandoned it in favor of a forum, see
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-ui/browse_thread/thread/fc6811f14928aa91#
> and http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ for references.
> --
> Woody Gilk, Kohana Framework Team Lead
> http://kohanaframework.org/
>

Can someone report how many members are on this mailing list? I think it may
help people wanting to use the mailing list to know how (relatively) big the
audience is.

Cheers,

Ryder Ross*

<http://www.twitter.com/ryduh>**

*



On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Mathew Davies <
thepixeldeveloper@googlemail.com> wrote:

> This mailing list is fine, people just don't use it, simple as that.
>
> Kind Regards,
> -Mathew Davies.
>
>
> On 9 March 2011 17:49, Woody Gilk <woody.gilk@kohanaframework.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Israel Dacanay Canasa <raeldc@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Promote the mailing list more than usual, and put it at Google Groups.
>> Let's
>> > see what happens :).
>>
>> We will not be using Google Groups, the amount of spam and general
>> lack of good management by Google makes it unbearable. For example,
>> jQuery has completely abandoned it in favor of a forum, see
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-ui/browse_thread/thread/fc6811f14928aa91#
>> and http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ for references.
>> --
>> Woody Gilk, Kohana Framework Team Lead
>> http://kohanaframework.org/
>>
>
>

They might be able to give that information at meta@librelist.com,
it's a mailing list about these mailing lists.

Vic

Looking at http://librelist.com/browser/kohana/ shows 18 messages total 
since Dec 2009. I only see 2 that have any useful content. I suggest the 
experiment has failed an the Unofficial wiki be edited to remove it. 

On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Ryder Ross <ryross@gmail.com> wrote:

> Can someone report how many members are on this mailing list? I think it
may help people wanting to use the mailing list to know how (relatively) 
big the audience is. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ryder Ross
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Mathew Davies 
<thepixeldeveloper@googlemail.com> wrote:
> This mailing list is fine, people just don't use it, simple as that.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> -Mathew Davies.
> 
> 
> On 9 March 2011 17:49, Woody Gilk <woody.gilk@kohanaframework.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Israel Dacanay Canasa <raeldc@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Promote the mailing list more than usual, and put it at Google Groups. Let's
> > see what happens :).
> 
> We will not be using Google Groups, the amount of spam and general
> lack of good management by Google makes it unbearable. For example,
> jQuery has completely abandoned it in favor of a forum, see
> http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-ui/browse_thread/thread/fc6811f14928aa91#
> and http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ for references.
> --
> Woody Gilk, Kohana Framework Team Lead
> http://kohanaframework.org/
> 
> 

Looking at the response to this message, I think it shouldn't be deleted.

Vic



On 9 March 2011 20:55, Adrian Noland <anoland@indigente.net> wrote:
> Looking at http://librelist.com/browser/kohana/ shows 18 messages total
> since Dec 2009. I only see 2 that have any useful content. I suggest the
> experiment has failed an the Unofficial wiki be edited to remove it.
>
> On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Ryder Ross <ryross@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can someone report how many members are on this mailing list? I think it may
> help people wanting to use the mailing list to know how (relatively) big the
> audience is.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ryder Ross
>

I always wondered, why this list is so inactive.
I asked few questions long ago. But no answer from anybody.

I like lists a lot. But if any official list is inactive like dead, what'd
you do?

IRC, Forum and LIST. All 3 are different type of platform. All three should
be active. I dont know if kohana has IRC. But if it has, some people should
keep it all the time.
You cant keep something dead inactive say people to join in your website.


-- 
Shiplu Mokadd.im

Follow me, http://twitter.com/shiplu
Innovation distinguishes between follower and leader

However, based on the conversation seen here, it seems that if a question is
asked on the mailing list it wouldn't be void of attention.

Nick

On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Mathew Davies <
thepixeldeveloper@googlemail.com> wrote:

> This mailing list is fine, people just don't use it, simple as that.
>
> Kind Regards,
> -Mathew Davies.
>
>
> On 9 March 2011 17:49, Woody Gilk <woody.gilk@kohanaframework.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Israel Dacanay Canasa <raeldc@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Promote the mailing list more than usual, and put it at Google Groups.
>> Let's
>> > see what happens :).
>>
>> We will not be using Google Groups, the amount of spam and general
>> lack of good management by Google makes it unbearable. For example,
>> jQuery has completely abandoned it in favor of a forum, see
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-ui/browse_thread/thread/fc6811f14928aa91#
>> and http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ for references.
>> --
>> Woody Gilk, Kohana Framework Team Lead
>> http://kohanaframework.org/
>>
>
>