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Re: [homebrew] GCC WITHOUT XCODE!!!

From:

Kenneth Reitz

Date:

2011-07-30 @ 17:14

 Thanks, Max :)  

Currently, the installer includes: GCC, Clang, LLVM, DevSDK, and some Dev 
CLI tools.

Looking at the wiki, it looks like the X11 package is recommended as well.
Any thoughts on if I should add this to the installers (Mike?) ?

I've also received some emails about the CoreAudio headers and such, but I
think if someone needs those, they should just go ahead and install Xcode 
already.  

--  
Kenneth Reitz


On Saturday, July 30, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Max Howell wrote:

> Don't let these naysayers sway your stance here Kenneth. The world is 
won by those who dare and do, not those who endlessly chat crap about 
licensing bollocks to mailing lists.
>  
> >  Good point.  
> >  
> > I'll take all of it into consideration, and dwell on it for a few days.  
> >  
> > --  
> > Kenneth Reitz
> >  
> >  
> > On Saturday, July 30, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Birger J. Nordølum wrote:
> >  
> > > But again, are we not better then others? And by simple asking, you 
have at least gain the upper hand.
> > >  
> > > Just my two cents.
> > >  
> > > --  
> > > Birger J. Nordølum
> > > Sent with Sparrow (http://bit.ly/sigsprw)
> > >  
> > > On Saturday, July 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Kenneth Reitz wrote:
> > >  
> > > >  Installing Xcode over it is recommended if you have any troubles :)  
> > > >  
> > > > I'm hesitant to actually speak to Apple about it. While most of it
fit under fair use, there a few parts (the C Headers, for example) that 
are slightly grey.  
> > > >  
> > > > My hope is that if Apple finds it and doesn't like it, then 
they'll just ask me to take it down.  
> > > >  
> > > > --  
> > > > Kenneth Reitz
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Dreamcat4 wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > > I want to know what happens if you install xcode 4 afterwards ontop.
> > > > > If it breaks xcode then I'm not much of a fan.
> > > > >  
> > > > > And yes - I also believe it does make a lot of sense to try and find
> > > > > someone at apple. And simply ask them to evaluate this. However the
> > > > > GPL licensing all solidly seems to point to this being all perfectly
> > > > > legal, legit. It aught to be more of a kind of fair-use formality.
> > > > >  
> > > > > If we have done that, then from a legal standpoint, it gives a much
> > > > > fairer legal position if it later Apple wants to change its mind
> > > > > and/or dispute this, and/or take it to court etc. In that event any
> > > > > judge would reasonable ask to see some kind of evidence of that, a
> > > > > simple email, letter or other correspondence.
> > > > >  
> > > > > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Max Howell <max@methylblue.com
(mailto:max@methylblue.com) (mailto:max@methylblue.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > Great stuff Kenneth, you rock. Happy to point at these from 
the wiki, Mike
> > > > > > can write the caveats since he has always voiced concern about this.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > On 30 Jul 2011, at 01:04, Kenneth Reitz <me@kennethreitz.com 
(mailto:me@kennethreitz.com) (mailto:me@kennethreitz.com)> wrote:
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > I am happy to announce that I have created GCC installers for 
10.6 and 10.7
> > > > > > that don't include all of Xcode!
> > > > > > Yes, Apple has rights over some of the code that is being 
distributed here,
> > > > > > but I'm honestly not concerned. If worse comes to worst, I'm 
sure they'll
> > > > > > just email me and ask me to take the pre-built versions down.
> > > > > > So, *fingers crossed*!
> > > > > > Project page: https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer
> > > > > > Downloads: https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer/downloads
> > > > > > 10.6 is 180MB, and 10.7 is 250MB. The installation includes GCC, LLVM,
> > > > > > Clang, some CLI dev tools, and system headers.
> > > > > > Install these packages on a fresh system, and you can Homebr 
ew to your
> > > > > > heart's content without Xcode :)
> > > > > > This has been tested against a large number of and confirmed 
to be working
> > > > > > quite well.
> > > > > > Enjoy!
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Kenneth Reitz
> >  
>  

On 30 Jul 2011, at 18:14, Kenneth Reitz wrote:

> Currently, the installer includes: GCC, Clang, LLVM, DevSDK, and some 
Dev CLI tools.
> 
> Looking at the wiki, it looks like the X11 package is recommended as 
well. Any thoughts on if I should add this to the installers (Mike?) ?

Yeh, X11 is a dependency of Homebrew so probably worth adding.

> I've also received some emails about the CoreAudio headers and such, but
I think if someone needs those, they should just go ahead and install 
Xcode already.

Yeh, perhaps.

Would you like to try and make a Homebrew formula for building/installing 
this stuff to the Cellar? That would be pretty neat.

--
Mike McQuaid
http://mikemcquaid.com

>> Currently, the installer includes: GCC, Clang, LLVM, DevSDK, and some 
Dev CLI tools.
>> 
>> Looking at the wiki, it looks like the X11 package is recommended as 
well. Any thoughts on if I should add this to the installers (Mike?) ?
> 
> Yeh, X11 is a dependency of Homebrew so probably worth adding.

Yeah, Homebrew needs the X11 headers and libs.

>> I've also received some emails about the CoreAudio headers and such, 
but I think if someone needs those, they should just go ahead and install 
Xcode already.

I imagine things like mpg123 need them. But see how it goes.

> Yeh, perhaps.
> 
> Would you like to try and make a Homebrew formula for 
building/installing this stuff to the Cellar? That would be pretty neat.

That would be amazing.

I were just saying, Max ;)

Only the future would tell. And I personally would go for the smaller 
package as well :) Since I have not need for the "small" Xcode package.

--  
Birger J. Nordølum
Sent with Sparrow (http://bit.ly/sigsprw)

On Saturday, July 30, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Kenneth Reitz wrote:

>  Thanks, Max :)  
>  
> Currently, the installer includes: GCC, Clang, LLVM, DevSDK, and some 
Dev CLI tools.
>  
> Looking at the wiki, it looks like the X11 package is recommended as 
well. Any thoughts on if I should add this to the installers (Mike?) ?
>  
> I've also received some emails about the CoreAudio headers and such, but
I think if someone needs those, they should just go ahead and install 
Xcode already.  
>  
> --  
> Kenneth Reitz
>  
>  
> On Saturday, July 30, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Max Howell wrote:
>  
> > Don't let these naysayers sway your stance here Kenneth. The world is 
won by those who dare and do, not those who endlessly chat crap about 
licensing bollocks to mailing lists.
> >  
> > >  Good point.  
> > >  
> > > I'll take all of it into consideration, and dwell on it for a few days.  
> > >  
> > > --  
> > > Kenneth Reitz
> > >  
> > >  
> > > On Saturday, July 30, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Birger J. Nordølum wrote:
> > >  
> > > > But again, are we not better then others? And by simple asking, 
you have at least gain the upper hand.
> > > >  
> > > > Just my two cents.
> > > >  
> > > > --  
> > > > Birger J. Nordølum
> > > > Sent with Sparrow (http://bit.ly/sigsprw)
> > > >  
> > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Kenneth Reitz wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > >  Installing Xcode over it is recommended if you have any troubles :)  
> > > > >  
> > > > > I'm hesitant to actually speak to Apple about it. While most of 
it fit under fair use, there a few parts (the C Headers, for example) that
are slightly grey.  
> > > > >  
> > > > > My hope is that if Apple finds it and doesn't like it, then 
they'll just ask me to take it down.  
> > > > >  
> > > > > --  
> > > > > Kenneth Reitz
> > > > >  
> > > > >  
> > > > > On Saturday, July 30, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Dreamcat4 wrote:
> > > > >  
> > > > > > I want to know what happens if you install xcode 4 afterwards ontop.
> > > > > > If it breaks xcode then I'm not much of a fan.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > And yes - I also believe it does make a lot of sense to try and find
> > > > > > someone at apple. And simply ask them to evaluate this. However the
> > > > > > GPL licensing all solidly seems to point to this being all perfectly
> > > > > > legal, legit. It aught to be more of a kind of fair-use formality.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > If we have done that, then from a legal standpoint, it gives a much
> > > > > > fairer legal position if it later Apple wants to change its mind
> > > > > > and/or dispute this, and/or take it to court etc. In that event any
> > > > > > judge would reasonable ask to see some kind of evidence of that, a
> > > > > > simple email, letter or other correspondence.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Max Howell 
<max@methylblue.com (mailto:max@methylblue.com) 
(mailto:max@methylblue.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > Great stuff Kenneth, you rock. Happy to point at these from 
the wiki, Mike
> > > > > > > can write the caveats since he has always voiced concern about this.
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > On 30 Jul 2011, at 01:04, Kenneth Reitz <me@kennethreitz.com
(mailto:me@kennethreitz.com) (mailto:me@kennethreitz.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > I am happy to announce that I have created GCC installers 
for 10.6 and 10.7
> > > > > > > that don't include all of Xcode!
> > > > > > > Yes, Apple has rights over some of the code that is being 
distributed here,
> > > > > > > but I'm honestly not concerned. If worse comes to worst, I'm
sure they'll
> > > > > > > just email me and ask me to take the pre-built versions down.
> > > > > > > So, *fingers crossed*!
> > > > > > > Project page: https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer
> > > > > > > Downloads: 
https://github.com/kennethreitz/osx-gcc-installer/downloads
> > > > > > > 10.6 is 180MB, and 10.7 is 250MB. The installation includes 
GCC, LLVM,
> > > > > > > Clang, some CLI dev tools, and system headers.
> > > > > > > Install these packages on a fresh system, and you can Homebr
ew to your
> > > > > > > heart's content without Xcode :)
> > > > > > > This has been tested against a large number of and confirmed
to be working
> > > > > > > quite well.
> > > > > > > Enjoy!
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Kenneth Reitz